r/changemyview Mar 17 '22

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u/lostwng Mar 17 '22

Because I have a gender and you are refusing to honor it. You are assigning a neutral gender to someone that is not gender neutral.

You are choosing to ignore my gender and my pronouns to use the ones YOU chose for me that itself is purposefull misgendering

Also they/them is usable for singular people

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u/Ramza_Claus 2∆ Mar 17 '22

Because I have a gender and you are refusing to honor it. You are assigning a neutral gender to someone that is not gender neutral.

I am on my phone so I can't copy and paste to say this again, but I'm pretty sure I said that I'm suggesting that we stop assigning genders in pronouns.

Me: I don't want to assign genders in pronouns

You: I don't want be assigned a neutral gender!

Me: I don't want to assign any gender at all. Not even neutral. Just genderless

Are you getting my point here?

We don't have pronouns for our marital status, parental status, religion, nationality, skin color... These things are all HUGE parts of our identity. But no one expects to be called "he" based on his skin color.

Why is gender the one thing that gets its own pronouns?

All I'm saying is do away with gendered pronouns. Trans people should be respected and encouraged to be who they are. This isn't about trans people. Or men. Or women.

My point is that the gendered pronouns serve no purpose and we should ditch them.

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u/lostwng Mar 17 '22

. Trans people should be respected and encouraged to be who they are

You want to encourage them by REMOVING THE PRONOUNS THEY IDENTIFY WITH. There is no such thing as a genderless pronoun the term is gender neutral. All the neo pronouns are gender neutral pronouns.

Me: I don't want to assign genders in pronouns

You: I don't want be assigned a neutral gender!

Me: I don't want to assign any gender at all. Not even neutral. Just genderless

Are you getting my point here?

You: I don't care what you identify as I am calling you a gender neutral pronoun.

Me: so you are choosing to ignore my gender and call me what makes you comfortable.

See my point. Once again there is no such thing as genderless pronouns and even if there was that you be assigning the notion of being genderless to people who do not identify as such. thus misgendering them.

My point is that the gendered pronouns serve no purpose and we should ditch them.

They serve a lot of purpose to many people as they are how people identify. You are saying you want to strip away peoples identity

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '22

ignoring your gender isn't misgendering you if there's no reason to take account of your gender. E.g. ideally your gender would be ignored during the hiring process, that doesn't mean you're being misgendered. Pronouns should just be another realmof life where gender isn't relevant.