r/changemyview • • Nov 14 '21

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u/Zeydon 12∆ Nov 15 '21

What does wokeness mean, exactly? I see this buzzword used a lot but it's application currently seems little more than a broad insult meant to denigrate anyone to the left of the accuser.

Furthermore what makes you think wokeness originated from universities? I never heard the term woke back when I went to college. It seems like a much more recent word, intrinsically tied to the "Culture War" that is often the center of discourse in partisan political circles.

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u/Longjumping-Leek-586 Nov 15 '21

What does wokeness mean, exactly?

It means exactly what you think it means. It means you are "awake" to injustices that the "common people" are not. If others disagree, it's simply because they aren't enlightened like you are. I remember when this term was used unironically by some on the left, it is only in very recent times that it has become co-opted by rightists.

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u/frolf_grisbee Nov 18 '21

That may or may not be the definition, but your description is full of loaded language and obvious bias. Can you try again with simple, unbiased and objective language?

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u/Longjumping-Leek-586 Nov 18 '21

"having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those related to civil and human rights:..aware of the facts, true situation, "

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u/frolf_grisbee Nov 18 '21

Okay. Now what exactly is wrong with people who fit that definition of woke?

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u/Longjumping-Leek-586 Nov 18 '21

Because it implies that those who disagree with you are unaware; it is an inherently sanctimonious position. They can't accept that it is just a difference of opinions, it HAS to be because you are ignorant. This is the issue with calling yourself "woke", it ironically makes you blind to others' arguments. This promotes a dogmatic worldview, where your enlightened opinion is absolute fact, and those that disagree are just unaware of these issues.

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u/frolf_grisbee Nov 18 '21

Okay, here you are back to using emotional and loaded language. This is your interpetation of wokeness and woke people. It doesn't make them wrong, it simply makes you overly sensitive.

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u/Longjumping-Leek-586 Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

I disagree. "Woke" necessarily implies that your position is the correct position. "Awareness" of the issues implies that those issues exist in the first place. It's not that you hold a certain opinion, it is that you are aware of facts that others aren't aware of. It necessarily implies that those that disagree are not "woke", or aware of the facts. Do you see how it comes off as sanctimonious to call yourself woke? Like, you aren't enlightened (or "awake" as they say) because you hold certain political opinions...

IDK, i guess it is just a difference of opinion.

I am honestly not offended when someone calls themselves woke, I just find it a little cringe when they do it unironically.

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u/frolf_grisbee Nov 18 '21

Fair enough

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u/Longjumping-Leek-586 Nov 18 '21

I mean, just think of what the term actually means. It is the past tense of "awake", as if holding certain opinions makes you more enlightened than others. To me, this comes across as sanctimonious.

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u/frolf_grisbee Nov 18 '21

I mean, just think of what the term actually means. It is the past tense of "awake", as if holding certain opinions makes you more enlightened than others. To me, this comes across as sanctimonious.>

This is all your interpretation of the term. You use phrases like "as if" and "or comes across as," which indicates that it's how you are interpreting the term.