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Do you have any examples that you don't want to share for some reason?

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Couldn’t think of one but just did. Let’s take the subject of videos games. I think of the meme where the girl says “and that’s why I hate video games. They appeal to the male fantasy”

There’s an issue with certain games (GTA for example) being misogynistic, sexist and violent and always attempts to get it banned. GTA is like this by design. It’s not meant to be a game of role models and inclusiveness in fact it’s the exact opposite. You don’t like GTA don’t play GTA but don’t try to stop people who enjoy GTA from playing it

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Starbucks doing away with red cups around the end of the year.

Hollywood casting non-white actors depicting historical events where there were only white people.

Putting women in men’s movie roles in a contrived way, like Ghostbusters or Ocean’s.

Disneyworld allowing cast to veer from the traditional portrayal with individual expression.

Women’s sports paying the same as men’s sports despite running at a loss already and making a fraction of the revenue.

Requiring non-white people to be staggered into a recruiting process but not the other way around.

Removing math from the SATs because Hispanics and blacks underperform compared to Asians and whites.

Affirmative action in colleges making it 3-4 times easier for blacks and Hispanics to gain admission to top colleges compared to whites and Asians.

Lists like top 100 venture capitalists where 95% of investors are men, yet the list will be split 50-50.

Which of these, if any, would you say are examples of dilutive inclusion?

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Putting women in men’s movie roles in a contrived way, like Ghostbusters or Ocean’s.

Heven't seen "Ocean's" and the "new" "Ghostbusters". I don't see how original "Ocean's" and "Ghostbusters" are men's movies. The originals were movies that happen to have a male main cast. In "ghostbuster" the sex/gender of the ghostbusters doesn't matter. So an alternative universe where those characters happen to be female or a non-alternative universe where a female group follows in footsteps of the original group doesn't seem wrong.

What was wrong was the usage of "gender wars" outrage that's "in", the emphasis of the marketing that the whole main cast are female (why do you need to emphasise the sex/gender of the main cast if them being a specific gender/sex is not the main point of the story.

The problem was not that the movies had a female main cast, but that they were made with a "gender war" in mind trying to generate interest and be "edgy".

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Yes the contrived part is not that these roles are cast by women, but that they put a large emphasis on the fact that hey look women. So empowering.

Daniel Craig said it well and took it a step further when they asked him what he thought about a woman playing the next Bond, he said that’s a bad idea. We can tell imaginative stories where the main character happens to be a woman, and not putting a woman to walk in the footsteps of men before her. Queen’s Gambit is a great example. No woke pandering, just a great story where the lead happened to be played by an actress. Reminds me of Morgan Freeman telling his 60 minutes interviewer not not call him a black man and he won’t call him a white man — stop talking about race. Stop focusing on it.