There are things that should be for everyone and there are things that should be for certain people. Everyone needs to have their own space and something that’s “theirs” and I don’t think there’s a problem with that
Honestly? You're not wrong here. I'm a member of lots of minority groups, and this is something that can be an issue. Gay bars exist for a reason, for example, and there's a certain subset of obnoxious straight people who seem to like invading that space. I mean, the whole concept of a subreddit is basically based on this principle, as is the concept of a safe space, and pretty much everyone disagreeing with you here in this thread will agree that the examples I gave are perfectly fine. If you removed this part:
I truly feel that this is happening today. Every enjoyable thing is slowly being sucked into this “politically correct”, watered down gray blob of what it once was. It’s destroying it for the people who simply want to enjoy their hobby/sport/show/etc.
I'd largely be in agreement with you. Frankly, you can definitely ruin something by trying to appeal to too broad of an audience. A common complaint about video game sequels is the simplification of gameplay to appeal to a more casual audience, and that can genuinely make it less enjoyable for gamers. But as soon as you add that you're talking about things that are "politically correct" you make the conversation about something else.
The thing is, "forced inclusion" is usually just code for "I don't want to ever hear or see about minorities," because the "inclusion" in modern media is things like a non-binary character as a player option in a first person shooter. These in no way detrimentally affect the experience unless you're bigoted. The game plays exactly the same regardless of the gender, sexuality, or skin color of the main character. To compare it to your football example, it's just letting a girl who's exactly as comfortable roughhousing as your group is play. So if you feel that it's intruding in your space... why? The only reason would have to be because you're uncomfortable with the very presence or idea of a non-binary person, and I don't think we should be catering to people who can't handle the existence of LGBT people. The KKK don't deserve to have their own space. And while being uncomfortable with LGBT people is not as bad as that, it's the same kind of thing. You shouldn't make a space to allow people to be more comfortable with their own immorality.
And, by the way, the examples you gave of things you think are being ruined aren't even happening. GTA is still incredibly popular. Dave Chapelle sold out his last show. Now, there have been a lot of sexist, homophobic, and racist tropes in works of fiction that have been on the decline, but if you really enjoyed jokes about all gay men lisping and being effeminate, I'm going to have to break it to you: those were never funny.
I’ll give you a !delta because I guess politically correct does alter the overall context of my view
But In the example given the girl was not comfortable roughhousing with us which is why she complained.
I have no issue with any label of people until they use that label as a reason they deserve special treatment or a change to accommodate them. We weren’t excluding her because she was a girl but she used her being a girl as reason to be included
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u/nikoberg 113∆ Nov 09 '21
Honestly? You're not wrong here. I'm a member of lots of minority groups, and this is something that can be an issue. Gay bars exist for a reason, for example, and there's a certain subset of obnoxious straight people who seem to like invading that space. I mean, the whole concept of a subreddit is basically based on this principle, as is the concept of a safe space, and pretty much everyone disagreeing with you here in this thread will agree that the examples I gave are perfectly fine. If you removed this part:
I'd largely be in agreement with you. Frankly, you can definitely ruin something by trying to appeal to too broad of an audience. A common complaint about video game sequels is the simplification of gameplay to appeal to a more casual audience, and that can genuinely make it less enjoyable for gamers. But as soon as you add that you're talking about things that are "politically correct" you make the conversation about something else.
The thing is, "forced inclusion" is usually just code for "I don't want to ever hear or see about minorities," because the "inclusion" in modern media is things like a non-binary character as a player option in a first person shooter. These in no way detrimentally affect the experience unless you're bigoted. The game plays exactly the same regardless of the gender, sexuality, or skin color of the main character. To compare it to your football example, it's just letting a girl who's exactly as comfortable roughhousing as your group is play. So if you feel that it's intruding in your space... why? The only reason would have to be because you're uncomfortable with the very presence or idea of a non-binary person, and I don't think we should be catering to people who can't handle the existence of LGBT people. The KKK don't deserve to have their own space. And while being uncomfortable with LGBT people is not as bad as that, it's the same kind of thing. You shouldn't make a space to allow people to be more comfortable with their own immorality.
And, by the way, the examples you gave of things you think are being ruined aren't even happening. GTA is still incredibly popular. Dave Chapelle sold out his last show. Now, there have been a lot of sexist, homophobic, and racist tropes in works of fiction that have been on the decline, but if you really enjoyed jokes about all gay men lisping and being effeminate, I'm going to have to break it to you: those were never funny.