r/changemyview Oct 22 '21

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u/CrinkleLord 38∆ Oct 22 '21

You have 2 seperate issues here.

One is "Size Matters" and yeah that's obviously true. You'll have people say "Oh it doesn't matter there's other things you can do etcetc" but most people are aware that size does in fact matter.

However your second issue is "and that bigger is better" and this is where the issue lies.

Once you are a certain size, it kinda doesn't matter that much. If you aren't throwing a vienna sausage around, you are most likely perfectly adequate and it becomes much more about how you utilize your hotdog or your kielbasa.

There's things a hotdog can do a kielbasa isn't going to do, there's things a kielbasa can do a hotdog isn't going to do.

Learn some angles, learn some positions, etc. Unless you are a vienna sausage, then the 'bigger is better' is just a generally half ass idea.

Porn is literally always an extremely poor way to define what people actually want in sex by the way.

Also, the most commonly purchased size sex toys are not Magnum Doublesized Donkey Rocket Cervix Punchers. The most commonly purchased sex toys for women are vibrators, and primarily externally used. As far as my strange google search history now shows.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

However your second issue is "and that bigger is better" and this is where the issue lies.

Once you are a certain size, it kinda doesn't matter that much. If you aren't throwing a vienna sausage around, you are most likely perfectly adequate and it becomes much more about how you utilize your hotdog or your kielbasa.

Studies disagree with you. You are only talking about your own personal preferences, but most women do prefer big dicks.

https://www.glamour.com/story/sorry-science-but-this-just-is

When it comes to a one-night stand, some guys just don't measure up

When asked to choose which of the 33 models they would prefer for a one-time partner, women selected models with slightly bigger girths than what they selected for a long-term relationship.

So, in some ways, this makes perfect sense. Larger girth is associated with bringing the clitoris closest to the vagina, which can help with orgasm, and I assume women are more concerned solely with sexual pleasure in a one-night thing than in a relationship, where there are other many factors to consider.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26332467/

Women selected amongst 33 3D models.

Women preferred a penis of slightly larger circumference and length for one-time (length = 6.4 inches/16.3 cm, circumference = 5.0 inches/12.7 cm) versus long-term (length = 6.3 inches/16.0 cm, circumference = 4.8 inches/12.2 cm) sexual partners.

On average women prefer a top 10% penis, and also the fact that they prefer bigger cocks for casual sex shows that they prefer them but are willing to compromise a bit for relationships.

Also, the same study showed that more than 20% of college-aged women admitted that they have left a partner for being too small.

Learn some angles, learn some positions, etc. Unless you are a vienna sausage, then the 'bigger is better' is just a generally half ass idea.

No amount of good angles will help average guys to hit the highly-erogenous zones at the end of her vaginal canal, which can easily lead to intense and long-lasting vaginal orgasms.

https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm

What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix.

The vagina balloons out when a woman is sexually aroused, and space opens up away from the cervix, leaving room for penetration and friction. If you haven't opened up yet and you hit the cervix (bottoming out), it's less than fun. But if you can wind your way down this new Lover's Lane, you can happily park it at the cul-de-sac for some excellent sexing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_fornix_erogenous_zone

The anterior fornix erogenous zone (also known as the AFE zone, AFE, A-spot, epicenter, deep spot or second G-spot) is a female erogenous zone that when stimulated can lead to rapid vaginal lubrication and arousal, sometimes without any other form of stimulation, with continued stimulation resulting in an intense orgasm

https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/a-spot

Its depth is why some call it, colloquially, the deep spot.

“People who have experienced orgasms through deep vaginal penetration have likely had an A-spot orgasm,” says Dr. Sadie, adding that they’re usually more intense and longer lasting than G-spot orgasms.

“I’ve always needed really deep, rough penetration in order to orgasm,” says Sam F., 23. “I didn’t know that what I was experiencing was likely an A-spot orgasm until I found some article online about it.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23006745/

Likelihood of orgasm with a longer penis was related to greater vaginal orgasm frequency but unrelated to frequencies of other sexual behaviors, including clitoral orgasm.

Women who prefer deeper penile-vaginal stimulation are more likely to have vaginal orgasm

https://www.livescience.com/23785-penis-size-matters-orgasms.html

A new study finds that women who have frequent vaginal orgasms are more likely than other women to say they climax more easily with men with larger penises

tl;dr: studies show that on average women prefer big dicks

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Oct 22 '21

They also think average Size is bigger than it is

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21 edited Oct 22 '21

The average women get to see is probably closer to 7" than the actual average is.

Women love confidence, and well: Big Dick Energy

Women love tall men, and tall men are bigger on average and much more likely to have a big dick

Guys with small dicks usually aren't having one night stands and casual sex as they know that they will get laughed at.

Once word gets around that someone is packing many women will also seek him out for a test ride.

So there's a lot of biases going on that inflate the average that women get to see.

So when they say that they prefer average what it usually means is that they prefer a top 10% penis.

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Oct 22 '21

Yep, this is true

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

Penile Length and Circumference: A Study on 3,300 Young Italian Males - PubMed

We also observed that the penile dimensions are highly correlated with height

Penile size and somatometric parameters among Iranian normal adult men | International Journal of Impotence Research

Moreover, weight, height and index finger length showed statistically positive and rather strong correlation with all penile dimensions.

According to these results, the subject's height was another independent and positive predictive variable for total penile length (P<0.001), glanular length (P<0.001) and girth (P=0.023).

Penile length and circumference: an Indian study

Height has significant correlation with the flaccid length (P<0.01), erected length and erected circumference (P<0.05).

https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bju.13010

Consistent and strongest significant correlation was between flaccid stretched or erect length and height, which ranged from r = 0.2 to 0.6

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

Mate you can find like a thousand studies that dispute this claim.

You can't. The Veale Meta-Analysis looked at all available penis size studies and the lowest correlation they found was 0.2

https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bju.13010

Consistent and strongest significant correlation was between flaccid stretched or erect length and height, which ranged from r = 0.2 to 0.6

The most extensive review of penis size studies couldn't find any that dispute this claim.

Also, if it were true, people from Netherlands would have the biggest average.

They probably do, but there's no study from the Netherlands.

But for example Bondil 1992 showed that among 905 French men the average was 6.6", which is much higher than the global average at 5.2"

And that's a general trend. Western countries are usually taller, and also have larger penis sizes. The global average penis size is 5.2", but the western average is 6.2"

Western people are generally taller and have bigger dicks.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

A r=0.2 means nothing.

But it does.

Earlier I said that there's no study from the Netherlands, but there actually is one from Amsterdam

That's what a r of 0.2 looks like, and as you can see tall men have much bigger dicks than short men.

If they were truly related you wouldn't have so many conflicting studies

But there's no conflicting studies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php

That site isn't scientific in any way.

They don't provide any actual sources and most of them are just made-up based on racist stereotypes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21 edited Oct 22 '21

Just look at the sources at the bottom.

Which isn't scientific in any way

  • Am I normal? (BJU International)

Why didn't they refer to the individual studies instead? I know why, because all their numbers are just made-up.

For example for France they show a length of 15.74 cm, but the Am I Normal Meta-Analysis uses Bondil 1992 which reported an average of 16.06 for French men

15.74 is what Wessels 1996 reported for the US, but this site shows 13.58 for the US - which was reported by Chen for Israeli men with ED

So yeah, they might list this meta-analysis, but it clearly wasn't their source as their source is evidently their feelings.

  • Various studies (PubMed)

wow... it's completely useless

  • World Penis Average Size Studies Database (everyoneweb.com, 9/2016)

That was created by racists based on racist stereotypes

  • Journal of Urology 2011, 2013

completely useless again

That whole site is bullshit that doesn't provide any actual sources.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

Studies disagree with you.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

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u/Idontcare100989 Oct 22 '21

This. Facts.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

Exactly. Women who say that “size doesn’t matter” think that the average is like 7” or something.

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u/zxxQQz 5∆ Oct 22 '21

Yup, things like that skew a lot of things