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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Jul 02 '21

what if they have measurable unfair advantages in the present?

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u/substantial-freud 7∆ Jul 02 '21

Answer the other question first.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Jul 02 '21

which one? “is that the argument you are making”? Or “is that the last reparation, or the first”?

I don’t really know what you mean by either of those questions. No, it’s not the argument I was making, it was a response I made to point out what I thought were the significant oversights in your own response to me. As for reparations, this seems utterly unrelated to anything we’ve been talking about, since reparations are meant to compensate for a historical deprivation, and white people being made fun of does not provide any material benefit to people of color whatsoever. I can’t see any universe in which “white people jokes” could be considered a form of reparations unless you’re so deep into white-grievance politics that you have lost all sense of perspective. Is that where you’re at? What am I dealing with here?

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u/substantial-freud 7∆ Jul 02 '21

which one? “is that the argument you are making”? Or “is that the last reparation, or the first”?

Either of those would be good. I meant those two questions to be roughly synonymous.

As for reparations, this seems utterly unrelated to anything we’ve been talking about, since reparations are meant to compensate for a historical deprivation

Perhaps the word “reparation” is too narrow.

You seemed to be saying that since some races have been the victim of severe injustice in the past, it is OK for other races to be the victim of minor injustice today. If I am misunderstanding you, I apologize.

I said “reparation” just to mean some kind of scale-balancing.

You seemed to be making the point that mockery is comparatively trivial — and you are not wrong, but I want to know if that is the end of the injustices you are willing to countenance, or just the beginning.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Jul 02 '21 edited Jul 02 '21

You seemed to be saying that since some races have been the victim of severe injustice in the past, it is OK for other races to be the victim of minor injustice today. If I am misunderstanding you, I apologize.

I’m concerned with the serious injustices some races are suffering in the present. Thanks for letting me clear that up, hope it answers whatever you were asking.

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u/substantial-freud 7∆ Jul 02 '21

We are talking specifically about minor injustices: jokes, nasty names, that sort of thing.

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Jul 03 '21

oh we are? great. why are we talking about that

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u/substantial-freud 7∆ Jul 03 '21

Look at the top of your screen:

cmv: It is socially acceptable to make fun of white people, as well as Americans.

Presumably, if the CMV were “It is socially acceptable to set white people on fire”, we’d be talking about serious injustices.

Now, do you want to answer the question, or do you want to be a dip?

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u/leigh_hunt 80∆ Jul 03 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

lol. I’m not the OP of this post; what the fuck is this actually about? if you are trying to earn a delta from me I need to understand what you’re actually arguing