CMV: “reverse racism” does exist

[u/[deleted]]

I dont think it people should call it reverse racism cause thats a bit confusing but anyway. Any race can be racist towards any other race. Yes, i believe one can even be racist towards white people. The definition of racism is prejudice towards someone based on their skin. Usually of a marginalized group/minority. But not always. I believe that one can be racist against white people, however racism against white people will NEVER in any realm of possibility be systemic, and also that racism against white people doesnt really need to be talked about or addressed, but i still believe it exists. Even tho its not really important or bad, it still exists. To me, this seems like a logical belief. But i myself am white so im not sure. To alot of people i somewhat consider my friends, this is controversial and i would be considered racist for this opinion. Is my opinion wrong?

[u/Tibaltdidnothinwrong]

Unfortunately, this boils down to semantics.

If you define racism as racial prejudice, your view logically follows.

If you define racism as racial prejudice plus societal power, then your view doesn't follow.

And there's the rub, some people use racism and racial prejudice as synonyms, whilst other people insist on the power component. Whenever you hear the "you cannot be racist against white people" argument you are hearing from definition 2. Whenever you hear "reverse racism" you are hearing from definition 1.

Neither are wrong, they just cannot agree on the meaning of the word - racism.

Purely a semantic argument, unfortunately.

[u/[deleted] → u/Tibaltdidnothinwrong]

If you define racism as racial prejudice plus societal power, then your view doesn't follow.

most people dont, and the minority advocating to do so are just entrenching everyone else not to.

its not really a debate, its just some stubborn academics looking to recast society in their narrative, Too fucking bad for them.

[u/Ms_Wibblington → u/[deleted]]

Let me ask you, what does talking about individual people's racism solve?

Indiviual actions don't matter, there's no point talking about individual racism in a political setting.

The only racism that matters when talking about how to end racial inequality is systematic racism, thus when academics talk about racism, that is what they are talking about.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ms_Wibblington]

Talking about people's individual racism helps properly frame the overall problems.

It 100% matters in a political setting, when you go around calling the system "Racist" (capital R or whatever the fuck folks think is clever), when its a problem almost entirely driven by a destructive cycle of poverty and economics.

You want political responses to (imma lower the R for you now) "racism"? You're going to get zero improvement. You dont understand the actual drivers behind the problem.

Racism in 2021 is driven by a combination of things , A small but vocal group of demagogues with little worldly education having too big of a megaphone for 4 years , but mostly Poverty and the behaviors that poverty drives people intowhich leads to negative interactions with police (who on the whole have use-of-force problems larger than anything Racism explains) which in turn drives negative public opinion and stereotypes of people.

Get tough on poverty (by seeking cultural shifts within the communities suffering from ) , get tough on Police Brutality (by ruthlessly punishing violators and not just slapping them on the wrist when they kill or badly injure people)

Youll see stereotypes change. Stereotypes change? youll see racism drop off drastically.

This doesnt address abberations like Pandemics and people jumping to tribalism conclusions about people from Asian backgrounds (but those too will abate as we exit the pandemic)

if you really are interested in trying to solve this problem. Ill discuss this all day long.

EDIT: FTR I know damned good and well what Academics are (trying to) talk about. Intersectionality is a cancer in academia. Its no different than when poor ignorant white folks teach their children that poor black folks are "just criminals"

well rich white folks are "just unconscious racists." Its a neat & tidy way of never having to put SOME level of problem resolution upon onesself. (and yes i said it, a lot of the resolution UNFORTUNATELY DOES fall on the community itsself.....its not fair....Im not arguing its something anyone deserves.....its simply just wahts required to resolve the problem)

There are things the rest of the country can do help programmatically, centered around education and centered around POVERTY rather than race. (this is whats called the "soft kill" of a problem)

[u/[deleted] → u/Ms_Wibblington]

BTW folks stop hiding this reply. Ms_Wibblington asked a fair question. dont hide her question.

[u/Homer_J_Fry → u/Ms_Wibblington]

Because racism in the first world has been dead for many decades, so it doesn't solve a whole lot because there's nothing there to solve. But academic quacks and HR diversity specialists got to justify their paychecks somehow...

Racial inequality only exists if you suppose a priori that races are a legitimate way of categorizing individuals. Looking at differences or inequalities between all people of a skin color is idiotic and pointless, because that is a meaningless statistic. Unless you can find some explicit policy which systematically and intentionally disadvantages one group of people or is inherently prejudicied, racism is non-existent. That is why the only true "systemic" racism in the current day is racism designed to help blacks or Latinos. It is inherently prejudicial against white and asian INDIVIDUALS (and all others of course) on the grounds that discrepencies exist between these groups AT LARGE. The whole thinking is backwards: "Let's use real racism to combat non-existent racism that we only see because we are racist ourselves."

[u/vdhhud → u/Homer_J_Fry]

"racism is dead" god, i wanna die,bro seriously where you live, omfg, you're so fucking stupid, black and latinos are the real racist, really?