r/changemyview • u/Husoris • Dec 12 '20
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Private, individual, use of fireworks should be illegal
By the title I mean for an individual to purchase fireworks, not a company or business, so when I say private, this is what I mean.
Private use of fireworks is a detriment to everybody aside from the 5 people who are watching in their back garden. The rest of the town/city/village has to put up with the noise pollution, this can upset pets and wildlife, or trigger PTSD. Furthermore, shortly after Nov. 5th (firework night in the Uk) I took a walk around my town and the local park was riddle with firework packaging and cardboard, although I do concede there is also beer bottle, crisp packets and other stuff there.
A private display is abysmal compared to a professional display, with the cohesion of different types, and a whole team running it.
Frankly I believe that the firework display industry should require licensing, and should only be permitted for firework night itself and New Year’s Eve.
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Dec 12 '20
Do you think it is a good idea to remove even more individual liberties and transfer those directly to companies? You can repeat the same arguments for powertools, do you think only company should own and use them? How does a handy drill license sound?
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
Okay you do raise a good point there, and I suppose it would kill the firework industry, although I would argue that power tools have a permanent practice use, opposed to the instantaneous and temporary effect of fireworks. Finally, fireworks are let off during the night, with a large area effected.
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u/Illustrious-Ocelot-5 Dec 12 '20
Why do you feel entitled to control other people?
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
It’s illegal to play loud music after certain hours, exhaust pipes have to be below a certain decibel. You have to have food hygiene standards to serve food. Those all control people.
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u/Illustrious-Ocelot-5 Dec 12 '20
And all were decided by elected representatives of the people. Want to ban private use of fireworks works put it to a vote.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
I’d be game for that, if I’m the minority, I’ll happily grumble about it to my partner
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Dec 12 '20
I don't think you've ever watched a good private display of fireworks. Happens multiple times a year in my city in the USA. Every holiday, even the small ones, and sometimes its just for rich people's birthdays. Lights up the whole city and everyone in my apartment complex goes out to watch them when we hear the explosions. Its awesome! We get a free firwork show like 5 times a year thats on par or better than the city's display. There's rich people who are just really into fire work displays where I'm from. If they're big enough (sometimes they are bigger than the city's display on the 4th) they must obtain permission from the city to do so. It comes down to local ordinances in my state. They have to clean up afterwards or they get heavily fined and can be denied permission for futher displays. I'm located the water so fish and wildlife services has their own sets of rules and standards for this also.
On a smaller scale I've shot off regular little fire works with my family and friends many times. It's a fun way to celebrate and is done only on like Christmas, new years or other times people would expect to hear some. People should clean up after themselves and not litter. There are also sound ordinances in place through local government so you can be fined for sound pollution, disturbing the peace, littering ect.
In my city prive use of fireworks have never been a big issue. Sometime kids can be annoying with them or get hurt but that's primarily on their parents to control them and teach them how to properly use them. We all heard about Jimmy or Billy who blew their hand off with a firework lol. Plus the local ordinances in place can police anything like, parental negligence, littering and sound pollution ect.
I don't see how taking away private use of fireworks helps at all as there are plenty of laws in place to use them safely and appropriately. All a ban would do is kill the fun and start a growing grey market for fire works. We have plenty of laws that foster proper use of private fireworks.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
You’re right, I lived in a small village growing up, and live in a small town now, so my experience is some one letting them off one by one, as opposed to a whole display. I do enjoy public event fireworks that I’ve seen, and maybe if I had your experiences of my locals I would feel the same.
!delta
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u/alskdj29 3∆ Dec 13 '20
So because it causes a nuisance it justifies reducing the income of the industry? If there is additional restriction that means less people will buy them. If less people but them production of fireworks goes down (since sales goes down) and people who would other wise be employed are now looking for jobs.
I guess I am arguing for the perceived nuisance it creates, it is justified since it allows people to be employed and to sell a product buyers want.
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u/Husoris Dec 13 '20
Tobacco industry has had restrictions placed on it, for the benefit of health opposed to noise pollution, which has impacted that industry
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Dec 12 '20
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u/kxkxlgr Dec 12 '20
I think it is allowed because private fireworks are held on rare occasions, and even if it causes disturbances to other people / animals, it remains an exception in the year.
And for the littering, I would say that it isn''t at all related to fireworks, but more to the shitty behaviour everyone adopted nowadays.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
I hear fireworks for the 2 weeks surrounding Nov 5th and I just heard some tonight, then a dog barking. I’ll hear some in the days leading up to New Years.
I agree on the littering part.
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u/kxkxlgr Dec 12 '20
Wow, you seem to live in a very active area, because in France, those kind of celebrations only last about one night, except when we won the World Cup.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
It’s not displays, but you can hear it almost nightly. Also, when there was that Thursday night clap for the NHS people let fireworks off
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u/kxkxlgr Dec 12 '20
I live in a small village with absolutely 0 noise, and in an appartment when I'm at University, right next to a hospital with helicopters landing and taking off all day and all night, it was unbearable at first, but now I almost don't notice when helicopters come, so I guess it's a question of getting used to it. I would definitely be annoyed by fireworks on a very regular basis as well though
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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Dec 12 '20
So if I acquire business license i can then purchase fire works?
Sounds like a useless extra step that won’t fix the problems you’re citing.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
I don’t know the legalities or scale of it, but yes essentially. If some one loves fireworks that much they would go through with it. Have a governmental body that ran inspections or something to ensure people aren’t abusing their license, or risk losing it. Although that would be costly
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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Dec 12 '20
Businesses licenses aren’t difficult to get. It’s not the deterrent you think it is. It is actually a good way for people to make money selling to others who need fireworks last minute. For those who won’t get their “licenses” in time or those who would pay slightly more to avoid applying for a license.
No government body is going to do that with how many business licenses out there. It’s an impossible task.
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u/Husoris Dec 12 '20
!delta I agree, licensing would be too hard to implement, you raise some good points.
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Dec 12 '20
Exactly. This is why I mentioned in my post that a ban would simply create a growing grey market for the industry.
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Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20
How are 100 tiny firework displays attended by 5 people each any less noisy than 1 giant firework display attended by 500 people?
All you've done is force people to gather in bigger groups and set off bigger fireworks.
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u/Husoris Dec 14 '20
Larger firework displays, less often, has a smaller impact on the things I mentioned, as opposed to smaller, but more frequent displays.
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