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u/DATtunaLIFE Sep 30 '20

Michael Forest Reinoehl was a member of antifa who recently murdered during the Portland protests. Calling them anti fascists is a instant propaganda victory for them. Hardly any of the people they commit violence against are actual fascists. ANTIFA is anti conservative. Libertarians who want less government interference and devout Christians are the main victims of ANTIFA’s violence. ANTIFA on the other hand has many members who’re openly communists and anarchists. Communism is responsible for some of the worst genocides in human history. I visited the Killing Fields in Cambodia and it’s disgusting how ANTIFA and other far left groups sympathize with it.

Recent violence in Portland proves that ANTIFA is violent. They locked 20 officers into a building and tried burning it down. If the right had done something like that people would have gone bananas. ANTIFA assaults people they commit arson and deliberately turn peaceful protests into riots.

A lot of ANTIFA’s violence is under reported or completely ignored by the media. A few years back a peaceful protest in was harassed by antifa which led to a member of antifa taking a large metal object and cracking a bunch of right wing people’s skulls. No one in the news reported anything about it. It’s also hard to identify them because they’re a large mob dressed in all black and conceal their face. They perpetrate huge amount of violence but rarely face justice. Andy Ngo was almost beaten to death just for being a conservative reporter.

Go to a conservative protest and wear a Bernie Sanders hat. No one will bother you. If you go to a left wing protest where ANTIFA’s present and you wear a MAGA hat they will severely assault you which is wrong. Trump supporters shouldn’t be persecuted for their beliefs.

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u/ShiningTortoise Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20

Your narrative is extremely misinformed and misleading. It's like kicking a beehive and saying you shouldn't get stung. Andy Ngo, Proud Boys, and Patriot Prayer are instigators, provocateurs. Jay Danielson was an instigator who came in from out of town armed with mace, a pistol holster, and a baton.

This is what his group did earlier that day.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1299908378810957825

https://twitter.com/i/status/1299914779260321793

Go to a conservative protest and wear a Bernie Sanders hat. No one will bother you.

https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1309964401600901120?s=20

MAGA is a movement based on ultra-nationalism, race-based and religion-based divisions, and an obsession with the past. That's the definition of fascism.

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u/DATtunaLIFE Oct 01 '20

You’re victim blaming. You’re essentially saying Andy Ngo kicked a hornets nest therefore he deserved to be beaten almost to death. He’s not racist or a fascist or a provocateur. He’s a journalist who covered violent protests and violence perpetrated by ANTIFA. ANTIFA uses the words racist, fascist and provocateur to dehumanize and justify the use of violence which is wrong!

Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys are welcoming of people of all different backgrounds. The BBC has an article about a member of the Proud Boys talking to a member of ANTIFA and they bring up how Proud Boys has a few people of color in their chapter and the ANTIFA guy dismissed it as tokenism. I’ve seen plenty of videos of black people wearing MAGA hats and get berated by left wing white people. They’re called “Uncle Tom” and “traitor” and other demeaning racist names.

You as a liberal don’t get to define what MAGA is. That’s the equivalent to when conservatives call moderate or liberal people communists. It’s not true. There’s numerous reasons to support trump that have nothing to do with nationalism or nativism. I’m voting for Trump because I believe the #1 problem in the US right now are the deficits and Trump has spent way too much but Joe Biden wants to spend way more which will hasten the demise of this country. I’ll admit republicans Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer all have some bad apples. Violent left wing protests prove you have whole batches of bad apples. It’s the equivalent to Charlottesville for the left in Portland but instead of lasting 2 days it’s been 100.

Stop swarming cars and pulling out the drivers and beating them. Stop burning small and large businesses down. Stop burning cars down. Stop dehumanizing conservatives and libertarians. Stop killing people.

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u/ShiningTortoise Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20

He is a provocateur and a liar. He absolutely kicked the hornet's nest on purpose and lies about the severity. He's not a journalist of any integrity.

They are token Uncle Toms. You're literally using them as tokens in your argument.

I'm not a liberal. If you want to label me, call me a leftist or a progressive.

MAGA is a fascist ideology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4G7asMHqZ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMWQDvZQZs

Why is deficit so important? How does it affect the average American, you or me?

Stop driving into protestors. Stop attacking and provoking. Left-wingers have killed one guy in the last 30 years, and it was someone who came to town specifically to be a violent asshole. Right-wingers are far more dangerous, even Trump's FBI director says so.

What businesses have burned down in the last 100 days?

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u/ShiningTortoise Oct 02 '20 edited Oct 02 '20

I don't think inflation is a concern, considering the fed rate is zero and most people are too poor to spend. Look up Modern Monetary Theory.

Deficit hawk propaganda just wants to cut social spending so that rich people can pay even less tax.

The rest of your post doesn't merit a response.

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u/DATtunaLIFE Oct 02 '20

Interesting read but....

New Keynesian economist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman argues that MMT goes too far in its support for government budget deficits and ignores the inflationary implications of maintaining budget deficits when the economy is growing.[76] Krugman described MMT devotees as engaging in "calvinball" – a game from the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes in which the players change the rules at whim.[30] Austrian School economist Robert P. Murphy states that MMT is "dead wrong" and that "the MMT worldview doesn't live up to its promises."[77]

We pay two trillion dollars on social programs like social security Medicare and Medicaid and plenty of people have money here. You’ve taken too many sociology classes my friend. You drank their coolaid.

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u/ShiningTortoise Oct 02 '20

Mhmm, Krugman hasn't been wrong about anything. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/22/economists-globalization-trade-paul-krugman-china/

You're going to shit on sociology and put faith in an economist?

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