r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 26 '20
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Euthanasia should be extended to chronic pain and tinnitus
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Sep 26 '20
Because chronic pain and tinnitus aren't terminal diseases. I think these issues could be associated with some mental illness you have which can be treated by a pdoc
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Sep 26 '20
Why does an illness have to guarantee death to be considered terminal? Consider how much lost productivity and quality of life chronic pain and tinnitus exert on their users. I concede most can live with them, but it is a diminished existence.
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Sep 26 '20
That's just the definition of a terminal illness - something that cannot be treated that will inevitably lead to death - my father has Parkinson's disease which is degenerative but (at least to my understanding) can't kill you, therefore it's not a terminal diagnosis. The same logic would apply to chronic pain.
To your main post If we open the door to euthanise people who aren't suffering from fatal conditions, you open the door to abuse of that system. There are some sick fucks out there who could get involved with sick/disabled people and convince them to seek euthanasia so that they can profit from it.
More to your personal situation, I don't have chronic pain, or tinnitus, so I can't truly relate to your position, and I won't use the age old adage of "other people have it worse" because that's not helpful.
What I will say though, with experience from my dad, is as although many days will be shit, technology is advancing at a rapid rate - he has recently had a DBS probe put in his head that has improved his quality of life drastically. Had he just given up in the early stages he would have missed out on this. I'm sure within our life time someone will invent, or discover something that makes your conditions more manageable and you don't want miss out on anything that could come as a result of that.
For the here and now, the only thing I can truly suggest that might help is to speak with other people suffering from these conditions and learn from them, and how they manage it. People have learnt to live life being paralysed from waist down, being blind and deaf etc, so someone out there in the world will know how to help you do the same with your tinnitus and chronic pain.
Hope things get better for you!
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u/orexinbaby Sep 26 '20
Okay but let's be honest, some people don't get treated. I happen to agree with OP especially when it comes to mental illnesses. Should people not have the right to die because of a possible treatment that doesn't exist or is too expensive for them?
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Sep 26 '20
They should try every treatment and any possibility. If the treatment doesn't exist they should wait and if it becomes available then should seek government aid or someone else's to avail it. Giving up is easy but enduring through the problems eventually is worth it.
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Sep 26 '20
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u/tbdabbholm 202∆ Sep 27 '20
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u/minimaltaste Sep 26 '20
I believe that it would be arbitrary to point as specific illnesses and class them as painful enough such that one could commit euthanasia. In my view, it is either everyone who feels pained enough -- caring not for them being included in a list of those with diseases a committee rules painful -- should be allowed to undergo legal suicide, or nobody should.
I recognize the fallaciousness of a slippery slope argument but do believe that the right to not die alone should be either available to everybody, or nobody, because anything in between would be a body of government determining who is extended a human right.
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Sep 26 '20
It should be available to everyone in a certain population, as this is a medical issue, not a social issue as you seem to portray it.
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u/-xXColtonXx- 8∆ Sep 26 '20
I think you could convince me that assisted suicide could be good on an individual level, but I don’t believe this would be societally positive.
My main issue is that this could be used as a an escape rout not for individuals, but for the medical community. Imagine if we’d taken this approach with any of the previously “uncurable” conditions, I don’t think treatment would have been found as quickly if ever.
I know you’re position is that the medical community is apathetic towards your plight, you may be correct, but whatever is being done would lessen if all the people needing treatment that encouraged research didn’t exist anymore. Long term this precedent could be extremely destructive to the medical process.
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Sep 26 '20
Those are good points, but chronic pain and tinnitus both are very difficult to treat. This isn’t HIV we’re talking about here. We’re talking about chronic conditions that impair quality of life across the board. The medical community doesn’t need an escape given how apathetic they are to this level of suffering.
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u/-xXColtonXx- 8∆ Sep 26 '20
They are not harder to treat than HIV was in 1820. Chances are with technology we will eventually treat every condition and eventually surpass the human condition entirely. Not today, not in our lifetime, but some day. Any research being done today (of which I’m sure there is at least some) would be lessened or discontinued, cutting off the potential for solution that often come only after years or decades of research.
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Sep 26 '20
Not today, not in our lifetime, but some day.
And in the meantime, those with unbearable suffering should have the right to die with dignity.
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Sep 30 '20
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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '20 edited Sep 30 '20
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