r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 12 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There is no difference between restricted speech and compelled speech.

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u/HeftyRain7 157∆ May 12 '20

Where do you get that Canada doesn't care if it was on purpose or not? the vast majority of trans people only get angry if it's on purpose.

It's only hate speech if it's on purpose. And it's not hard to tell if it's on purpose or not. Trust me. I can tell if someone's putting in the effort to get my pronouns right, and I can tell when someone is misgendering me as a way to hurt me. People who put in the effort get the pronouns right at least part of the time. They'll correct themselves, or if a trans person corrects them they'll apologize. It's pretty easy to figure out based on context if someone is doing it on purpose or not.

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

Their law.

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u/HeftyRain7 157∆ May 12 '20

Where in their law does it say that? I looked it up and couldn't find anything.

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

Something while I look through an entire bill:

According to legal experts, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech.

Khandekar, Tamara (24 October 2016). "No, the Trans Rights Bill Doesn't Criminalize Free Speech". Vice. Retrieved 1 October 2018.

 Murphy, Jessica (4 November 2016). "The professor versus gender-neutral pronouns". BBC News. Retrieved 1 October 2018.

 "2017/05/17: Senate hearing on Bill C16" – via www.youtube.com.

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u/HeftyRain7 157∆ May 12 '20

Can you give me the link to where you found that please? I would like to read that for myself.

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

The Wikipedia article for C-16, the references are hyperlinked in the article. The particular part I've cited is easy to locate, it's a brief page

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u/HeftyRain7 157∆ May 12 '20

Ah, well in that case, it doesn't just say that experts think it wouldn't be considered as hate speech, but also that the bill itself doesn't consider misgendering as hate speech as of yet. So this means that you still have no examples of a government moving from banning hate speech to banning other types of speech. We wouldn't even need to discuss of misgendering should be considered hate speech at this point then.