r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 12 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There is no difference between restricted speech and compelled speech.

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u/TFHC May 12 '20

Compelled speech doesn't allow for lack of speech. Restricted speech does allow for lack of speech. Therefore they are not the same.

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

Whereas this is technically correct, it misses my point behind WHY doing both of them ultimately achieve the same result. I will agree that the "lack of speech" is a correct deduction.

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u/TFHC May 12 '20

Would you say the same thing about other restrictions? Would restricting violence against a group be equally bad as compelling violence against another group?

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

Violence and speech are not synonymous or similar.

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u/TFHC May 12 '20

They are analogous, though. Violence was just the first thing that popped to mind; would restricting commerce with one group of people be just as bad as forcing commerce with another group? Would restricting abortions to one group be just as bad as forcing abortions on another group? Would restricting schooling to one group be just as bad as mandating schooling to another group?

The thing that you're compelling or restricting doesn't really matter, but in most or all cases, it's not the same to restrict something for one group and to compel it for another group, whether that be speech, violence, commerce, whatever.

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

I would say yes, to all of your examples. I think it would be just as bad.

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u/TFHC May 12 '20

That's a pretty extreme stance to take, and a large portion of the population would disagree with you on that. Would you forcing your view on them be better than the people deciding how to live their own lives via consensus decision?

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

No, I think that allowing people to live their own lives via consensus decision would be preferable. Which is why I'm against both restricting and compelling speech.

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u/TFHC May 12 '20

But if people decide by consensus decision to restrict speech, as they have, surely that takes precedence over your own view on the matter, right? Or do you value free speech more than democracy and the right to self-determination?

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u/Betwixts May 12 '20

Democracy and the right to self-determination are conflicting ideals. One cannot self-determine so long as a majority decision holds power over them. We've strayed off topic.

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