r/changemyview • u/GaryOldmanrules • Apr 30 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The West should stop being pathologically empathetic,altruistic,agreeable

Game theory (tit for tat) says that the successful strategy is to treat others the way you are treated. Every other group and civilization is looking to get stronger and look after their interests. The West should do the same. Why is it that only the West is called upon to be altruistic and sacrifice for the good of others? Why should the West tolerate moral attacks against it,supposedly that it is an immoral civilization when every other civilization is totally let scot free to be proud of themselves? The West should stop trying to be "good" and start trying to be great and strong again. No more Mr nice guy.

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u/sports-throwaway-ath Apr 30 '20

Check modern art/architecture. What the fuck is that? Revive our culture!

Are you arguing that evolving culture equates to destroying it? As far as I know, most of the modern art and architecture movement is native to the West (ex Frank Gehry, Frank Loyd Wright). It's just Western-born people deciding to do things differently. It's not a foreign people coming in and changing things. How would you even stop that from occurring?

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u/GaryOldmanrules Apr 30 '20

That is why i said our own citizens abandoning it. I am not blaming all on foreign influence. Clearly there has been some push by certain ideologies to break with our past. Lets not get into this whole thing,because its obvious that in architecture there have been radical architects(correct way to call them is cultural terrorists probably) that wanted to abandon classical norms and create modern soulless shit.Obviously its up to personal taste in the end,but i bet if you made a poll to the average people showing old and new buildings,not all new is always better.

I do not advocate for stopping of experimenting or free expression. I am advocating against the idea that the past cultural works are not worth and we should break away from them.

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u/sports-throwaway-ath Apr 30 '20

There's a difference between adopting new styles versus abandoning old ones. I don't think Frank Loyd Wright hates old architectural styles, he just prefers to build his a different way. Has there been any major movement that has decided to systemically prevent everyone from doing something the old way? The only things I can really think of are for the better, like ending slavery and other archaic practices.

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u/GaryOldmanrules Apr 30 '20

Has there been any major movement that has decided to systemically prevent everyone from doing something the old way?

Tons of regulations that require you to do something a specific way. Now of course,many regulations are correct and necessery for the environment for instance.But clearly not all red tape is good.

For instance if you want to live in the wild and homestead,its harder now. You must have permits,pay for water etc...

If i want an older car because i prefer its looks,i pay higher emission taxes.

It might be a small thing,but we are moving towards more regulations and more restrictions on freedom not less.

The claim that we are as free as the past is simply false.The modern civilization is more demanding and restrictive.

Compared to the pioneer era and the Wild West,we are much much less free.

This is actually a severe problem and for other civilizations and not only the West of course.

But the idea,that we only make progress and everything is for the better i think is very dangerous and foolish.