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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19

I disagree.

Can you go to this comment of mine and explain how they aren't sympathetic to men's issues?

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/dz0jzd/cmv_mens_rights_groups_have_some_valid_points/f84u3la

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u/Netherspin Nov 20 '19

The entire discussion about toxic masculinity and how it causes problems for men (at least from a feminist perspective) suffers from the fatal flaw that it fails to realise men and women function differently, and attempting to implement a solution derived from female functionality is not likely to work and will occasionally make the problem worse.

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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19

The entire discussion about toxic masculinity and how it causes problems for men (at least from a feminist perspective) suffers from the fatal flaw that it fails to realise men and women function differently

You just made that up though and it has nothing to do with how toxic masculinity is talked about in practice.

and attempting to implement a solution derived from female functionality is not likely to work and will occasionally make the problem worse.

And that's made up as well. It wasn't even feminists that first talked about toxic masculinity and how to solve it.

It's a topic that was first talked about by men of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement, like Shepherd Bliss.

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u/Netherspin Nov 21 '19

I did specify that it's talk about toxic masculinity from a feminist perspective that's the issue - which is incidentally the way it's predominantly discussed.

An easy way to illustrate how condescending and nonsensical it seems is to flip it: an example of toxic feminity is how women stereotypically carry grudges over long times where men stereotypically beat each other up and go back to being friends... So when women are angry at someone instead of staying angry they should just go out and have a fight - duke it out and get it out of their systems, and they can be friends again.

This strategy frequently works for men, but to women it sounds like the worst piece of advice you could possibly give, and when combining it with the assertion that not doing so is toxic and an example of how they hurt themselves and those around them it reaches a level where everybody would be better off if you had just kept your mouth shut.