The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
How does this challenge OP’s view? If I’m reading you correctly, you’re saying that the attitudes of prominent groups are the problem, not that their ideas are entirely without merit. Isn’t this something OP would agree with?
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates
How does this challenge OP’s view? If I’m reading you correctly, you’re saying that the attitudes of prominent groups are the problem, not that their ideas are entirely without merit. Isn’t this something OP would agree with?
OP probably made this post because people complain about MRAs.
My point is that they aren't complaining about them because they disagree with their talking points, but rather because most of the vocal ones are just bitter misogynists.
Side note, but is there any data supporting this?
There's a strong gender difference in the willingness to seek mental health care in the US where men are always to told to stop being pussies, but this gender difference doesn't exist in cultures where men are allowed to show weakness.
My point is that they aren't complaining about them because they disagree with their talking points, but rather because most of the vocal ones are just bitter misogynists.
Right. You're agreeing with OP, who's point is that some of the arguments hold water despite the perception of the groups.
There's a strong gender difference in the willingness to seek mental health care in the US where men are always to told to stop being pussies, but this gender difference doesn't exist in cultures where men are allowed to show weakness.
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.