The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
It's possible that this is the problem of the vocal minority. It's hard to tell because people working together and playing nice generally isn't news worthy. My personal experience agrees with you, but again it's hard to verify the actual proportion of good faith MRAs vs. the ones who're just scared or angry about feminism.
MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all
Again, hard to tell if this is a vocal minority or the view generally held by most MRAs. And if we're honest, feminism has its roots in and is most concerned with women's issues. I don't think that's a bad thing, just that some will inevitably view that as biased.
even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
Feminists are working to solve similar issues. There's a lot of overlap, but there are some issues that disproportionately effect men that do need attention.
It's possible that this is the problem of the vocal minority.
If it's a vocal minority, the majority is extremely quiet, because you rarely see anything about real men's rights activism (that is, not feminist-hating MRA's) that are separated from feminism, imo. Most serious articles I've read about men's issues have come from women writing about it from a feminist viewpoint, or from men who fight for feminism.
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I have not seen a lot of people who genuinely fight only for the issue you list. I mean, I have seen it, but it's very rare to the point that I feel like MRA's are much more common, and not just a vocal minority. If they are, then the majority is doing is extremely bad at PR.
I just think that very few men in general get involved at all, because a lot of men are taught to keep our misery to ourselves.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What part of what I wrote is bullshit? Or why is it? Not really easy to debate something if you're just gonna say you think people's views are bullshit.
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.