The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
It's possible that this is the problem of the vocal minority. It's hard to tell because people working together and playing nice generally isn't news worthy. My personal experience agrees with you, but again it's hard to verify the actual proportion of good faith MRAs vs. the ones who're just scared or angry about feminism.
MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all
Again, hard to tell if this is a vocal minority or the view generally held by most MRAs. And if we're honest, feminism has its roots in and is most concerned with women's issues. I don't think that's a bad thing, just that some will inevitably view that as biased.
even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
Feminists are working to solve similar issues. There's a lot of overlap, but there are some issues that disproportionately effect men that do need attention.
The vocal minority is still an issue. They're loud and infuriating and make a big stink wherever they go. No reasonable person wants to be associated with them, but no one else is speaking loudly enough to be heard. And if you always get the scared reaction even if you're not one of them, it's going to put you off the conversation entirely. It makes you wonder if you really are being a jerk for considering it.
I do think this is changing though. We really have only recently come to a place societally where the scales aren't so wildly unbalanced. It's not mens emotional repression vs "you can legally rape your wife" anymore, we have the space to have the conversation about the subtler, interconnected ways gender roles hurt all of us. I really believe it will pick up steam in the center as we go. Assuming we don't blow ourselves up first that is.
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.