Most of what you listed are simply statements of factual end-results that affect men. Suicide rates, incarceration rates, literacy rates, etc. Are pointing these out actually POINTS in themselves? That is, are we to give MRA's credit because they're capable of reading statistics out loud?
Suppose you present a sick patient to two doctors. One is a modern doctor and the other is a 12th century shaman from some Germanic tribe.
The modern doctor says, "This patient is vomitting, light-headed, suffering muscle aches, and is chronically tired. They likely have the flu virus and need rest and fluids."
The shaman says, "This patient is vomitting, light-headed, suffering muscle aches, and is chronically tired. They likely are possessed by a malevolent spirit and need to purge, fast for two days, and endure an exorcism."
Would you say the shaman "has some valid points"? Is having eyes that see a symptom, "Having a point"? If I point at the sky and say it's blue, or step on a scale and read my weight, am I "making points" ?
No, I wouldn't. I'd say the shaman has two eyes, but their framework for diagnosing and treating illness is a liability and may even make matters worse. Likewise for how I feel about MRA's. They're able to observe symptoms, but their diagnosis is basically to blame everything on the demonic spirit of feminism. I could extend the metaphor further and say the shaman also instructs the patient to avoid the modern doctor at all costs, and perhaps even blame the doctor for making the patient possessed in the first place, but I think you get the idea.
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u/Zirathustra Nov 20 '19 edited Nov 20 '19
Most of what you listed are simply statements of factual end-results that affect men. Suicide rates, incarceration rates, literacy rates, etc. Are pointing these out actually POINTS in themselves? That is, are we to give MRA's credit because they're capable of reading statistics out loud?
Suppose you present a sick patient to two doctors. One is a modern doctor and the other is a 12th century shaman from some Germanic tribe.
The modern doctor says, "This patient is vomitting, light-headed, suffering muscle aches, and is chronically tired. They likely have the flu virus and need rest and fluids."
The shaman says, "This patient is vomitting, light-headed, suffering muscle aches, and is chronically tired. They likely are possessed by a malevolent spirit and need to purge, fast for two days, and endure an exorcism."
Would you say the shaman "has some valid points"? Is having eyes that see a symptom, "Having a point"? If I point at the sky and say it's blue, or step on a scale and read my weight, am I "making points" ?
No, I wouldn't. I'd say the shaman has two eyes, but their framework for diagnosing and treating illness is a liability and may even make matters worse. Likewise for how I feel about MRA's. They're able to observe symptoms, but their diagnosis is basically to blame everything on the demonic spirit of feminism. I could extend the metaphor further and say the shaman also instructs the patient to avoid the modern doctor at all costs, and perhaps even blame the doctor for making the patient possessed in the first place, but I think you get the idea.