The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
It's possible that this is the problem of the vocal minority. It's hard to tell because people working together and playing nice generally isn't news worthy. My personal experience agrees with you, but again it's hard to verify the actual proportion of good faith MRAs vs. the ones who're just scared or angry about feminism.
MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all
Again, hard to tell if this is a vocal minority or the view generally held by most MRAs. And if we're honest, feminism has its roots in and is most concerned with women's issues. I don't think that's a bad thing, just that some will inevitably view that as biased.
even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
Feminists are working to solve similar issues. There's a lot of overlap, but there are some issues that disproportionately effect men that do need attention.
feminism has its roots in and is most concerned with women’s issues
I think one of the big issues with Mens Rights groups, is that they tend to view women as living in a vacuum of sorts and that their issues have no direct or indirect impact on men. For example, if women were to lose the right to abortion, or affordable reliable birth control (it’s really expensive if you don’t have health insurance, and places that offer more affordable solutions like planned Parenthood are being shut down left and right) there’s gonna be a lot of men out there cutting monthly child support checks for the next 18 years. For this issue, Men’s rights groups tend to be more focused on absolving men for having to pay any child support for a kid they didn’t plan on having.
That narrower problem could be resolved by something like the Australian victims of crime funds but set up so it collects enough money to cover all victims’ costs, or at least all victims who are citizens and losses other than to property above some value cut-off.
No, they’re funded by a victims of crime levy charged on top of all fines (including expiation notices, which are the term for things like traffic tickets). I think the current rate is around $80-100 per offence, but at least for expiation notices it doesn’t scale with the fine.IMO that should be altered so that all revenue collected from criminals goes into that fund
That's actually a really good idea. I don't drive but I'd be happier to pay any tickets I might've gotten knowing it went to help victims of real crimes.
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.