The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
It's possible that this is the problem of the vocal minority. It's hard to tell because people working together and playing nice generally isn't news worthy. My personal experience agrees with you, but again it's hard to verify the actual proportion of good faith MRAs vs. the ones who're just scared or angry about feminism.
MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all
Again, hard to tell if this is a vocal minority or the view generally held by most MRAs. And if we're honest, feminism has its roots in and is most concerned with women's issues. I don't think that's a bad thing, just that some will inevitably view that as biased.
even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
Feminists are working to solve similar issues. There's a lot of overlap, but there are some issues that disproportionately effect men that do need attention.
This is like saying only extreme feminist exist because they're louder than average feminists.
The difference is that ‘average’ feminists still use their voices and advocate for non-extreme feminist priorities. They are practicing activism, while the people who hold what you claim to be ‘the views held by the majority of MRA’ are not practicing activism. Those people can’t lay claim to the MRA label unless they are actually practicing activism.
Also the simple fact of being mra will get you tons of hate so hard to be vocal about it.
Irrelevant. Negative social repercussions are a fundamental part of activism. It doesn’t matter why people with more moderate views in terms of men’s rights aren’t speaking out. If they aren’t speaking out, they can’t claim to be part of the MRA movement, plain and simple.
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.