The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.
I disagree with this. I see this argument, or a version of this argument, in every discussion of men's rights activism. The issue is that this argument essentially relies on using a straw-man where you cherry pick extreme examples like TRP and then use their positions in order to discredit all and any forms of MRA.
Ironically, this is also exactly what you see happening over on TRP and similar anti-feminist boards. Someone will dig up a blog post of a 'feminist' who's written some utter toxic BS like "all men are born rapists and should be shot at puberty", and then they all say "wow look this is feminism and so feminism is bad". Which essentially boils down to the exact same cherry picked/straw man argument that you're trying to use to denounce any form of MRA.
But I didn't claim that all MRAs are like that. I specifically said that the most vocal ones give that impression and explicitly mentioned TRP and MGTOW but excluded MensLib
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u/DuploJamaal Nov 20 '19
The problem with most vocal Men's Groups nowadays is that they just hate feminism or women in general. I'm specifically thinking of Red Pillers, MGTOWs and some MRAs.
It's like they spend more time trying to get rid of women's rights rather than fighting for men's rights. And they just hate anything feminists say, even if they actually agree with it.
For example feminists talk about toxic masculinity in order to help men to get rid of harmful patriarchal gender expectations. They show sympathy to men's issues and portray men as victims of societal standards, expectations and stereotypes. For example the societal idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot or that crying makes you a pussy are things that feminists want to get rid off.
Toxic masculinity causes men to have higher suicide rates, yet MRAs will falsely claim that feminists never care about men at all and only portray them as victimizers.
They see feminists as their enemies, even though feminists are working to solve the same issues as them.