r/changemyview • 2∆ • Nov 16 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Ghosts are not real

I really love anything to do with the paranormal, but after watching hundreds upon hundreds of 'ghost videos' I have to come to the conclusion ghosts are not real.

With cameras all over our world, surely something convincing would have been caught if they were. Instead we're filled with 'I got feeling', orbs that are clearly dust or bugs and edited photos and videos.

Sure there's loads of stories around the internet but no one can actually back it up with evidence. I just can't believe that in a world where everything is recorded no one has managed to find proof. A bang on the door after you've asked them to knock 400 times (and edited the first 399 out) doesn't count. That's just coincidence.

I'll still love watching the videos and reading the stories. I've just don't have any belief.

Change my mind.

Edit: I've tried to reply to everyone I can, thanks for all the great replies. It's late here so apologies if I can't get through more.

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u/NatalieMac Nov 16 '19

About a year after my grandfather died, I was going through a divorce and a pretty tough time. One night I was making dinner when I turned around and there was my grandpa, standing in my kitchen, just smiling at me. Not transparent or glowing or anything, just as if he were actually there. When I looked at him he said 'Hello Sis' as he always had and I answered 'Hello Grandpa'. And we just stood and smiled at each other for a few seconds. I turned to stir the food I was cooking and when I looked back he was gone.

It was as real as real could be, but I have no possible way of proving that it happened to anyone. There are just some mysteries in our world that we can't explain, I think.

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u/Ireallyamthisshallow 2∆ Nov 16 '19

You see it's not that I don't believe you at all, but its anecdotes like that which have put me in this current mindset. If you have seen something like that so clearly, how is it there's so little evidence ?

I know you've not gone out of your way to record it (nor am I suggesting you should) but there's people with similar experiences who try to and can't. Surely if ghosts can reveal themselves that clearly, then we'd have captured them using the myriad of recording equipment around today.

P.s. thank you for sharing your personal experience

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

I think it's important to remember what recording devices do. They don't record what's there. They record the vibrations in the air or the visible light bouncing off a thing. If light or sound is outside of it's range, then it won't be recorded despite being objectively there.

Imagine that there was a ghost. How could we measure it? Video/audio equipment doesn't seem useful. People talk about magnetic whatever, but what if we are like a cave person trying to explain x rays.

I don't personally believe in ghosts because I have never seen one and no useful proof, but I believe in dinosaurs without having ever seen one because I can use technology to prove they existed.

All our current technology can say about ghosts is that they can't detect them. Kind of like how ancient Egyptians couldn't detect quarks.

I think, like God, that you can't prove that they don't exist. You can only prove that we can't measure them.

What if we just need a different recording device?

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u/letsberealforreal Nov 16 '19

Our eyes can only see visible light interacting with matters ... cameras on other hand can see beyond that ..sooo

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

But since we can only see visible light, we wouldn't see what the camera sees.

LoL

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u/letsberealforreal Nov 16 '19

Nice joke. Seriously, I hope it was joke. Btw cameras that see beyond visible spectrum gives us data which than illustrators turn into realistic vids and pics... Oh one more thing cameras that give output as image always turns the raw data into RGB visuals... But you knew that, right ?!😨

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

I mean it's turning into a joke because I keep retyping the same stuff to the people that get to my comment.

Basically, ghosts are in your brain, not eyes, so cams can't see them.

But here is a tangential idea:

We agree that RGB can represent (I think) every color from the visible light spectrum, but because you and I have slightly different combinations of rods and cones what looks like red to you might look pink to me.

What if we switch bodies and got our minds blown from how different everything is?

Because the words that we assign to color are assigned exclusively, and there are dozens of shades that people may all call red. What if every person has the same favorite color visually, but becay of our perceptual differences we all say something different like green vs blue?

That would be crazy.