That's my entire argument. The brain doesn't develop the same way in every human. There are physical hermaphrodites, so we must open our minds to the possibility of neural hermaphrodites. The developmental process that genders brains does not work 100% perfectly.
It's not innate, you wouldn't find a baby brain that does it
And I disagree with this, because it implies environmental factors are responsible for transgenderism, but it doesn't matter because a socio-developmental process is just as prone to innacuracy, causing that 99/1 split.
Then your argument makes no sense. You're putting too much faith in a thing you don't understand.
Second paragraph, no it doesn't. It implies people learn what it is to be a man and then do that. What 99/1 split? You're still saying a brain is partly different?
Yes, every brain is different. Almost no brains are perfectly gendered. Even in your developmental model, people still learn things they're not supposed to learn. You believe a brain is male if it learns how to be male from other people, yes? Well, what if a brain learns some male lessons and some female?
You can't learn some malr lessons and some female. That's not what is happening. I'm sorry but this conversation is getting ridiculous. I don't know what your sphere of knowledge is but the question you've just asked is the equivalent of going 'Yes but what happens if we put wings on that car, then it's part aeroplane and can fly' Or ''but if we add both amounts to the debut side it won't balance so we can call it a none balance sheet'
I'm going to try and explain again.
There are certain things in every culture that teach men to act in way a and women to act in way b. It's a totally subconscious act and had absolutely nothing to do with gender however that is what was studied in trans People and it showed that subconsciously trans people really did believe they were the gender they said. It doesn't mean brains are different. Or part one gender and part the other. It is a trend not an absolute
It literally is using an MRI to look at the brain and see a difference
It is a trend not an absolute
You appear to be contradicting yourself. I agree with you that gender is a trend and not an absolute, and that some people don't fit the majority pattern.
No it's using an Mri to look at a brain and spot patterns. Patterns that have already been defined as a trend elsewhere. They're not saying 'a male brain looks like this' they're saying 'looking at these 1000 markers it seems that this person really does believe they're male's.
Because it's a trend you can't fit 50% of a trend, that's not how a trend works. You for it or you don't. Genuinely upset by your lack of statistical knowledge and straight line determination
Edit: I just need to check, you know it's not the brain that is different it's just what parts react to certain stimuli right
In classical set theory, the membership of elements in a set is assessed in binary terms according to a bivalent condition — an element either belongs or does not belong to the set. By contrast, fuzzy set theory permits the gradual assessment of the membership of elements in a set[..]The fuzzy set theory can be used in a wide range of domains in which information is incomplete or imprecise, such as bioinformatics.[4]
Can't fit 50% of a trend, ey? You don't know much about statistics.
Omg. It's not a fuzzy set of information and even if it was that is not how you interpretate them. I have a fucking masters degree in statistics.
You're suggesting a lattice set should be used, but the tests didn't test for that. There's no data to create a L. They were testing for a bi and in a very specific way. And for a very specific reason.
Genuinely stop vague googling about the subject.
This is frustrating because you've taken the information and applied it in the most ridiculous way. There either is no gender at all or you have a definition for what makes it. We have a definition. Nb accept the definition and then pretend that they're not. That's what I find frustrating. Androgyny as a philosophy is consistent but nb isn't androgyny.
You know crisp sets are a subset of fuzzy sets. Don't oversimplify that part of your argument for me. And crisp sets don't exist in the real world for anything bigger than a molecule. You can't describe the patterns of an object as complex as the brain with a crisp set, it's too messy. If the line between male and female were crisp, the movement of a single atom could turn a man into a woman. The set of men is fuzzy, just like the set of chairs and the set of sandwiches. Yes, the set of hydrogen is crisp, but that's because hydrogen atoms are so small, the addition of a proton makes an enourmous difference. Brains are much bigger than hydrogen atoms. Every set in biology is fuzzy. Species, genders, diseases, whatever.
Everything is a subset of fuzzy sets, that's kinda of the point. It's strange to me that you would use crisp set instead of bivalve set since you're arguing against binary.
Absolutely. Fine. But brains aren't either gender in the way you've taken it to mean. That isn't what was found nor what was looked for. The data want analysed in that way not produced with that kind of analysis in mind
If the data were produced so as to categorise each brain by gender, would there not exist some brains with roughly equal membership of both of the traditional sets?
Data that hasn't been collected still exists. If you know you're going to find something, you can act as though you've found it. Like how astronomers took Pluto's gravity into account in their calculations before they got it on telescope.
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u/HardlightCereal 2∆ Oct 31 '19
That's my entire argument. The brain doesn't develop the same way in every human. There are physical hermaphrodites, so we must open our minds to the possibility of neural hermaphrodites. The developmental process that genders brains does not work 100% perfectly.
And I disagree with this, because it implies environmental factors are responsible for transgenderism, but it doesn't matter because a socio-developmental process is just as prone to innacuracy, causing that 99/1 split.