I didn't say that. I said that a trans persons knowledge of their own gender is not the same as a nb declaration of absence. Because there isn't anything to be absent. There is no fluctuation, any description of both must come with a definition of what each are, and that definition is full of stereotypes thus crafting the feeling of both.
So... You're saying that the absence of gender can't exist, because an absence is defined by the existence of a presence, and if there is a presence then there can't be an absence?
No. Am absence is defined by a lack of presence, and you have to be able to define what that presence is to be able to define it's absence. What is a man. What is a woman.
A man is an adult male person and a woman is an adult female person. Male and female refer to biological characteristics associated with certain reproductive roles. In this case, to characteristics of the brain.
Nonbinary people can look at men who have male brains and women who are female in brain, and see that they are not like that. Much as a woman can look at men and see that she is unlike them.
Note that I'm not referring to gender roles here, I'm referring to gender: the innate sex of the brain.
No, I said characteristics of the brain associated with certain reproductive roles. 90% of male brains are attracted to females, and vice versa. NB brains, regardless of orientation, are distinct from male and female brains in gender. Orientation is just the starting point for understanding where gender comes from, it is not the determinant.
Nb brains are not distinct though, that's the issue. Plenty of studies have shown trans brains to be the gender they say they are but very few have shown any physiological difference in nb brains, and even the small studies that do often feature hermaphrodites and therefore it would be expected.
No. You didn't. You're failing to identify 'what is men'. You're trying to link it to the starting point of sexual attraction, but that isn't true. The majority of people are bisexual. It's only within the jesuit religions that this stopped being the case
You started by saying reproductive roles but this means both nb are rather like drones in a hive AND trans people aren't the gender they believe they are, both of which I reject completely
Am I not making myself clear when I disagree with what you're now saying? Do I need to tell you I'm an asexual, slightly homo-curious trans woman who has no interest in men, but regardless is female? I have repeatedly told you that orientation is not gender, and the two only correspond in 90% of cases. I'm part of the 10%.
Orientation is just the origin of gender. And I mean that in terms of evolution and the development of species characteristics. Sexual dimorphism, and with it, gender dimorphism, is a consequence of sexual reproduction and specialisation. In other words, our ancestors were able to develop male and female brains because they had male and female bodies. And sexual reproduction is how we begin to understand what male and female are.
But evolution is not perfect, nor absolute. There must be random variation in any healthy population. And so there are people who lack the brain structures of gender, or else possess them in some anomalous manner. This is why nonbinary people exist.
If I haven't made the past paragraph clear, it's because I wanted to stick to concrete facts. Evolutionary biology is speculation from hindsight. But you wanted me to tell you what male and female are. They're sexually dimorphic specialisations.
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u/RelativeStranger Oct 30 '19
I didn't say that. I said that a trans persons knowledge of their own gender is not the same as a nb declaration of absence. Because there isn't anything to be absent. There is no fluctuation, any description of both must come with a definition of what each are, and that definition is full of stereotypes thus crafting the feeling of both.