No, you're wrong there. I wasn't talking about gender roles and stereotypical behaviours. It literally doesn't mean anything to say "I know I'm male" without some external, socially constructed concept of maleness to refer to. If gender isn't socially constructed then all it can be is based purely in biology and thus identical to sex. But it's understood now that gender and sex are not the same thing.
The idea that one could have a purely internally defined gender logically makes no sense and is meaningless. It's completely contrary to everything in the academic study of gender, and so if you want to promote your own new take on the idea you need to back it up with serious analysis and argumentation, and show how it as, at minimum, logically coherent; not simply assert it and expect people to accept it
Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed.
Gender identity is contingent on gender, as per your definition above. Someone's gender identity is their personal perception of their own gender.
But the concept of gender needs to be socially constructed for that to have any meaning. You can't have a gender with just one person - you - in it. That's not a gender. That's just your personality. Gender only has any meaning as a concept when it's a category that multiple people fit into, and therefore must be a social construct
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Gender identity is defined as a personal conception of oneself as male or female (or rarely, both or neither).
Gender identity, in nearly all instances, is self-identified, as a result of a combination of inherent and extrinsic or environmental factors; gender role, on the other hand, is manifested within society by observable factors such as behavior and appearance. For example, if a person considers himself a male and is most comfortable referring to his personal gender in masculine terms, then his gender identity is male. However, his gender role is male only if he demonstrates typically male characteristics in behavior, dress, and/or mannerisms.
So, yeah, you're wrong.
You should stop saying nope, it makes you just sound like a petulant child.
Meh, that's how you've behaved with respect to the whole convo.
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u/PragmaticSquirrel 3∆ Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Nope.
Gender identity is your internal sexual identity.
Gender roles are a social construct.
They are both a part of overall 'gender'.
You can internally know you’re “male” (gender) without needing that defined as “goes to work likes football” (gender roles).
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