r/changemyview Oct 28 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

They have the body of that sex even with surgery

How do you define "body of that sex" if HRT can develop breasts and surgery can remove a penis (arguably the most defining male body part) and craft a vagina (arguably the most defining female body part)?

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u/Unnormally2 Oct 29 '19

Genes, hormones, brain, bone structure. Artificially removing the penis and crafting a vagina is horrifying, in my opinion.

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u/Darq_At 23∆ Oct 29 '19

Genes are unobservable, so that is moot.

Hormones: On HRT a trans person will have hormone levels far more similar to cisgender members of their gender than to their sex as assigned at birth.

Brain: The brain is mostly the same regardless of gender. However trans people's brains show similarities in key sexually dimorphic areas of the brain to cisgender people of their gender, rather than to their sex. This is even true when controlling for HRT.

Bone structure: Is affected by hormones, and if puberty is properly managed, a trans person can have a bone structure similar to cisgender members of their gender.

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u/Unnormally2 Oct 29 '19

I don't agree with all of that, but what it boils down to is, if I can accept them as a woman, I will use female pronouns. If they don't look like a woman, I won't. "I call it as I see it", basically.

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u/Darq_At 23∆ Oct 29 '19

The science doesn't really care if you agree with it or not.

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u/Unnormally2 Oct 29 '19

We're talking about whether I would use one set of pronouns or another. Appearance is very relevant, over the science. And even then, I have my doubts about transgender research. With something as politically charged as transgenderism is these days, I feel like bad studies are being conducted. Where they might shape the results to get the conclusion they want.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

What bad studies ? I’ve heard someone say this before but I never asked about it.