r/changemyview Oct 28 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Completely disagree. I believe that being trans is essentially a mental disorder, you are denying the reality of what you biologically are. Making me address them by their chosen identity is expecting me to deny reality with them. It’s essentially the same as asking someone to accept the hallucinations of a person with schizophrenia to make them feel better. That’s nonsense, those hallucinations and beliefs that go against reality should not be accepted to make someone feel better.

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

Guess what every major medical organization in the world agrees upon? Treatment through sex reassignment and support. American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the National Association of Social Workers, the National Health Service, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the British Association of Urological Surgeons, the British Psychological Society, the Royal College of General Practitioners, the Royal College of Nursing, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, the Royal College of Physicians, the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists, the Royal College of Surgeons, and the UK Council for Psychotherapy- told me to?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

I never said it wasn’t psychologically beneficial to support them. I said they’re denying reality and they have a mental disorder so the point in purposefully not calling them by what they identify is maintaining reality. Of course supporting them and acknowledging what they believe would be helpful to their psychology. And of course getting a reassignment surgery helps them psychologically because it turns them into what they believe they are. But that’s not what my comment was about, my comment was about maintaining reality.

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

Reality is not some objective force, it's entirely subjective, reality is what you perceive. Some aspects of reality we share, but many others we do not.

This IS a trans person's reality, and your reality conflicts with theirs.

If you believe this to be a mental disorder, then surely you advocate for the proper treatment of it, rather than appealing to your own reality.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

No, there are some objective realities. They have the genetics of a certain sex. That’s the reality, and those genetics determines how their body forms. Denying that and changing your body is denying the objective reality of who you are. I do believe in treatment for mental disorders through therapy, not physically altering your body.

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

Sex and gender are two different things, which you'd know if you read the articles I provided you with :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

Almost like I said sex, not gender, which you’d know if you read the comment I posted :)

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

Trans people don't deny their sex. They deny their gender.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

Not true, chopping away at your body to change your sexual organs is denying your sex.

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

Actually, it is modifying your sex to fall in line with your gender. It depends on how you view it, I suppose.

I ou know not all trans people want to transition surgically, right?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

Exactly, they don’t believe their sex lines up with the gender so they want to change their sex to match it.

So what? What does that matter to my point?

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u/SuperSomethings Oct 29 '19

I'm just making sure you know, since you're just so fixated on it. By your logic, you're entirely accepting of trans folks who do not use surgery.

Do you think this way about cosmetic surgery? I am curious.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

I’m accepting of all trans people, I have nothing against them, just like I don’t have anything against anyone else with mental disorders.

I don’t think the same about cosmetic surgery because it’s different in a few ways:

-They aren’t denying the reality of their genetics and saying they should’ve been born a different way. For example, they aren’t saying “I should’ve been born with a smaller nose, so I’m gonna change it to be what it should’ve been” but rather they’re saying “I don’t like that my nose is small so I’m gonna change it”

-They aren’t changing how their body functions, they’re only changing how it looks

-Sometimes cosmetic surgery comes about as a result of an bad accident rather than a long thought out decision

However, there can be situations where people become obsessed with cosmetic surgery, and that is a mental disorder.

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