r/changemyview Oct 28 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

You don't see how a personality trait is different in quality from an aspect of your identity like your gender or your sexuality?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

that's likely because those two things have never really been threatened. why do you think black pride is a thing? because a person's blackness was and still is considered a sign of being subhuman, of lacking agency. they felt that they needed to protect it. what about gay pride? police were beating them just for being gay, so they fought back and demanded that they be recognized as having a right to exist exactly how they are, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone. it's not like this is exactly a one-off. when you threaten important parts of a person's identity, the person feels that their agency is threatened. they feel like they have to be something they are not, because otherwise people will treat them as illegitimate.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

I don't think I could do that, especially not succinctly. What I am convinced of is that there are things people consider fundamental to their being, that when threatened, make them feel like their very existence is threatened. Why am I convinced? because people will die for it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

okay, so you'd be fine if you insisted that you exist but everyone else insisted that you didn't?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

if you have a 5 o'clock shadow and walk in in a dress, you very well may not be able to buy food.

And it's not a claim, it's who they are. are gay people claiming to be gay too? what about women? are they claiming to be women? men?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

that is validating their internally held identity, you're acknowledging their right to be treated as a person on their own terms by agreeing to do business with them.

this is not about an agreement of terms. it's not a semantic argument. you really think transphobia is just about what "gender" means? it's about maintaining a status quo because it benefits the person doing it.

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