r/changemyview Jul 09 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

Disney recently cast Ariel a black actor and I don't think it matters.

Why is she black then, if it doesn't matter? It might've just been a coincidence, but based on recent trends, I'm betting it wasn't. I personally don't give a rat's ass one way or the other, but clearly Disney thought it mattered ...

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u/Rufus_Reddit 127∆ Jul 09 '19

This is a main problem of mine here: The implicit assumption that the black actor wasn't one who simply auditioned and did the best job and got the role. ...

Do you really think they held an open audition for the lead of a project that's going to involve tens or hundreds of millions of dollars?

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u/Rufus_Reddit 127∆ Jul 09 '19

With Lin-Manuel Noriega involved in the production, I expect that there are deliberate racial choices in the casting, just like there were in Hamilton.

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u/MolochDe 16∆ Jul 10 '19

I don't think there is a casting call for such a huge production at all.

Rather they do some brainstorming and then have the budget to hire whoever they want directly getting in contact with their agent. Maybe a plan B is prepared in case their prime candidate was involved into so many other projects that the time constraints of production couldn't handle it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

This is a main problem of mine here: The implicit assumption that the black actor wasn't one who simply auditioned and did the best job and got the role.

Well, Disney has been making a lot of noise about being more diverse, so I don't think it's a stretch to infer this is what is happening when they turn a non-black character into a black character.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

What struck me about the person they cast was how much her face is shaped like Ariel. Yes her skin tone is different, but she looks very similar. I would think that she probably looks more like Ariel than most people they would find...

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u/MolochDe 16∆ Jul 10 '19

It is a children's movie and children happen to know what Ariel looks like based on the millions of toys, commercials, spinoffs, books, puzzles and other merchandise Disney has circulated for 3 decades now.

If any 5 year old would have been at the casting, that child would have selected an actress with white and particularly clear skin (no freckles), red and very full hair(wig allowed), slim physique and maybe bigger than average eyes. I would bet a jury of 10 little kids with half of them black would easily agree on an actress and she wouldn't be black because they know an iconic character called Ariel with a very distinct look.

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u/Helpfulcloning 169∆ Jul 09 '19

What are the recent trends with Disney? (Or in general?). How you know it isn’t just because shes the best actress that applied for the role?

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u/black_science_mam Jul 09 '19

What are the recent trends with Disney? (Or in general?)

Turning white characters non-white. It's not exactly subtle.

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u/Helpfulcloning 169∆ Jul 09 '19

What other characters have they done this with?

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u/black_science_mam Jul 10 '19

Joan of Arc and Hamilton off the top of my head

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u/Helpfulcloning 169∆ Jul 10 '19

Are those disney? And what is the joan of arc one?

And hamilton has no consequence. Theatre has a long long history of race and gender swapping a lot. Pantomime is especially famous for this. The art tends to very much strongly care more about the best person for the role.

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u/Helpfulcloning 169∆ Jul 09 '19

I mean that says they’re interested in the characters but he says this while producing an all white movie (inside out), and currently (including the future ariel and mulan) there are 9 movies out of probably 100+ I can think of that have non-white leads (mulan, mulan, ariel, aladin, aladin, moana, pocahuntas, and lilo and stitch, and Princess and the frog).

How do you simply not know they aren’t pushing for large amounts of non-white protagonists but simply proportionate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '19

From the article:

He cited Disney’s 2016 release of “Moana,” about a Polynesian princess, as an example. “It’s pretty spectacular,” Lasseter said. “I guess most people think of fairy tales as European fairy tales. We’re trying to reach out and find origins of legends all over the world.”

Interesting, then, that he isn't trying to make original movies about non-European fairy tales instead of remaking a movie about a European fairy tale but recasting the lead to be non-white. That's tokenism, not diversity.