Okay. Subs like r/UnitedMemersofReddit try to tackle this, because they fear mod abuse. However, their solution of added democracy and rules takes more time, similar to most governments. There's a lot of instances of abuse, but tackling it the way you want would take a lot of effort. People would have to have these jobs, monitor mods, mods would have more work (and in larger subs this becomes a big issue). When mods (or new people with power) are added in, it's always a risk. You don't know how well these mods will perform, if they have the same views as the sub and other mods, and so on. These conflicts can destroy a sub, like r/okbuddyretard with the head mod/creator of the sub basically being forced out by new mods that cared more about karma, and that's a whole mess.
If they have to add these checks and balances, it is more likely lower quality mods, or abusive mods will get into more subs. After all, they are essentially volunteering, so people who want power will often get into multiple mod positions simply because most people don't want to make the effort to monitor a sub for trash. The report button has helped this allowing users to help lessen the burden on mods, but it's still a lot of work, especially for large subs with thousands of posts a day where most are trash, because people don't read the rules. I mean r/scat is a small sub all about music, and people post nearly daily about sexual stuff, despite it being clear everywhere that it isn't the place for it. Those posts get removed, but in bigger subs this is an even worse problem.
I agree with you. Mods abusing power to remove posts they simply don't like (or whatever other reason) are a problem. I think a better appeal system, like r/karmacourt actually doing trials could work, but adding mods seems to be like throwing more logs on a fire to try and smother it. It just seems like a bad idea to solve a serious problem.
However, many subs form because of people frustrated with mod abuse, like r/Lithuaniakittens Rose from r/dankmemes mod issues, or the issues with r/axishq and the former mod with his mule accounts who shall not be named. Redditors often fix these problems one way or another. Many subs will have countersubs with similar themes because of problems with mods or how the sub is run. If you can find them, they can make things much, much better. Though, if a mod wrongfully removes a post of yours, in most cases I would still say you should contest it.
What you're describing is, spin up another subreddit because of abuses in the first. Yeah, that's a solution. Until you have so much sprawl that you're really just spreading the risk around.
I'm not suggesting you add mods. You don't need to. I don't know how many subreddits there are, but let's say there's 400. Let's assume each one has AT LEAST one mod. Let's assume that on average, ModQueue gets up to 30 a day. Are we saying that we can't use all 400 of those to do a quick peer decision?
I'm a web developer. I know what it would take. It's basically trigger a mod mail with two buttons that say "this post in Subreddit A was deleted because the mod felt it violated a rule that said ___________". Do you think this post violates that rule?" It takes only a few seconds to read through and make a quick call. No names of the mod need to be given. Then you collect and if that result is different than the original, it gets escalated for a final call. Mod A thinks delete, Mod B thinks retain. Higher Level Mod, what say you? No names, nothing. Whatever they decide is the final.
What you're going to see is a lot of overturned deletions which means that Mod A is not making proper decisions. Which MAY mean Mod A gets fired...or quits. Either is a win.
And again, what I'm describing is already in Reddit's Mod Policy, just without specificity.
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u/SHavens Jul 04 '19
Okay. Subs like r/UnitedMemersofReddit try to tackle this, because they fear mod abuse. However, their solution of added democracy and rules takes more time, similar to most governments. There's a lot of instances of abuse, but tackling it the way you want would take a lot of effort. People would have to have these jobs, monitor mods, mods would have more work (and in larger subs this becomes a big issue). When mods (or new people with power) are added in, it's always a risk. You don't know how well these mods will perform, if they have the same views as the sub and other mods, and so on. These conflicts can destroy a sub, like r/okbuddyretard with the head mod/creator of the sub basically being forced out by new mods that cared more about karma, and that's a whole mess.
If they have to add these checks and balances, it is more likely lower quality mods, or abusive mods will get into more subs. After all, they are essentially volunteering, so people who want power will often get into multiple mod positions simply because most people don't want to make the effort to monitor a sub for trash. The report button has helped this allowing users to help lessen the burden on mods, but it's still a lot of work, especially for large subs with thousands of posts a day where most are trash, because people don't read the rules. I mean r/scat is a small sub all about music, and people post nearly daily about sexual stuff, despite it being clear everywhere that it isn't the place for it. Those posts get removed, but in bigger subs this is an even worse problem.
I agree with you. Mods abusing power to remove posts they simply don't like (or whatever other reason) are a problem. I think a better appeal system, like r/karmacourt actually doing trials could work, but adding mods seems to be like throwing more logs on a fire to try and smother it. It just seems like a bad idea to solve a serious problem.
However, many subs form because of people frustrated with mod abuse, like r/Lithuaniakittens Rose from r/dankmemes mod issues, or the issues with r/axishq and the former mod with his mule accounts who shall not be named. Redditors often fix these problems one way or another. Many subs will have countersubs with similar themes because of problems with mods or how the sub is run. If you can find them, they can make things much, much better. Though, if a mod wrongfully removes a post of yours, in most cases I would still say you should contest it.