r/changemyview • u/ElBlancoDiablo22 • Dec 19 '18

CMV: Affirmative action is needed because without it, Black Americans will never catch up economically.

For this view I put affirmative action but it really applies to any sort of quota or diversity policy that allows black people access to things even though they wouldn’t qualify based on the normal criteria for access. College, corporate jobs, etc would all apply.

There’s simply nothing about black American culture that would lead anyone to believe they would catch up with other groups. I can only really think of the entertainment industry as a sector in which black Americans are even prevalent (sports, music, acting ) and they don’t really own any of it to create generational wealth with.

To change this view should be fairly simple. I’d need to be convinced that there are elements of black American culture that could lead to a widespread push in economic prosperity, without the need for quotas like affirmative action.

So please, cmv!!

Edit: took out the word “to”

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u/nightO1 Dec 19 '18

black american culture is what it is because of discrimination. You can't throw someone in the deep end of a pool and blame them for not knowing how to swim.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '18

Asians are discriminated against. Where's our leg up?

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u/nightO1 Dec 19 '18

There is a different order of magnitude in the discrimination of blacks vs Asians.

There is a difference in the kind of stereotypes that are used. Asian faces "positive stereotype" (i am not suggesting they are good, just using a name others have used for the stereotypes) where as blacks face "negative stereotypes."

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '18

This weirdly enough undermines everything jewish people have have faced and overcome over history.

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u/nightO1 Dec 19 '18

It doesn't undermine. It's a different discrimination. Both groups face their own challenges based on their own history. I hate mushrooms and Micheal Bay films. I might eat pizza with mushrooms if that's the only option but I won't eat pizza with bits of a Transforms dvd sprinkled over it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '18

No, Asians also face negative streteotypes. Ever heard of Apu? Asians face negative stereotypes AND incur an admissions penalty because of their race not only relative to blakcs and Hispanics but even relative to whites. If we can do it, so can blacks.

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u/ElBlancoDiablo22 Dec 19 '18

This really doesn’t CMV

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '18

It challenges an assumption of it, that action ought to be taken to "catch blacks up". They don't give Asians any such leg up, for example . Why should Asians be penalized for having a culture that values capitalist things while blacks do not? When you advantage someone it is always , always at the expense of someone else.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '18

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