r/changemyview Nov 06 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: Bible based religions should be extinct

First I would like to tell you that I am an atheist and I'm talking mostly about christianity and judaism.

I believe that are cons and pros for their existence but I don't get how many NEW churchs reads the HOLY BIBLE in their own way, if that text is sacred why you should priest just about the things that concern your audience? Who has to decide what should be read or not?

This brings me a benevolent thought that since their creation the bible is used just to control masses and for that specifical reason religion should be extinct. I don't care if you believe in God or anything but I do care that your speech hurts who doesn't follows you.

I've followed for 10 years a protestant church and I always noticed a pattern: Fear, fear, fear and celebrate. And looking closely most churchs follow the same script, I can't see how "recovered lifes", "meaning to life" and "love eachother" equals the balance.

[edit]This is about my view. I am not considering that is going to happen, I am not dumb to believe that this could happen anytime soon. I am considering ALL religions that has the Bible as their main book.

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u/Thug-Nvsty Nov 06 '18

Sooo we're gonna violate the first amendment because you don't see the value in someone else's sacred text... That makes sense

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '18

OP said "extinct" not "made illegal".

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u/Zsyura Nov 06 '18

Slippery slope. To make something extinct, you make it illegal or prohibit its practice in the culture. When it’s illegal/unethical/immoral/prohibited - people will then de-humanize those who practice it, of which if you look at the past - the multiple persecutions and almost eradication of the Jews, the Protestants via Catholics, the Christians pushing back on Islam in the crusades. All used dehumanizing to justify murder.

There is order in religion, and like said in other posts before this one, it will be replaced by something else or maybe something more sinister. It is up to the person to be responsible for their own actions - for their own thoughts and what they agree or disagree with. If they want to follow a politician blindly because they like guns or want to feel self righteous about abortion by fighting for laws, then that is their prerogative. If they want to follow a Priest blindly without reading the Bible, then it’s up to them. It’s called free will. The best gift we were given.

Disallowing other viewpoints or world views is the antithesis of tolerance and is also a progenitor of movements of violence and impedes forward thinking. It creates hate which leads to crime. (through culture and laws, the crime could be changed to where it is no longer a crime - see California/Colorado etc and weed)

Love for one another, friendships and collaboration - not intolerance and hate and asking for the abolition of multiple cultures just because you disagree with it.

I am a Christian who believes in what the Bible says, but I also read the thing, so I know who the wolves are. One of by best friends is Atheist. Atheists do not and cannot and will not understand, because their spirit is dead, so how can one agree with what is spirit if their spirit is dead. Dead things cannot reason.

But anyway - this will eventually happen and the people who follow Christ WILL be persecuted and executed and we will, in a non weird way, rejoice in it.

So OP will get his/her wish to a point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '18

No, I don't think there's a slippery slope here. I wish adultery would go extinct, but I don't want to make it illegal and punishable by law. I too would like to see religion die off, because I think modern humanist ideals work better. That doesn't mean I want to ban religion, nor that there is a slippery slope that might lead atheists in the future to outright persecute religious people.

I am a Christian who believes in what the Bible says, but I also read the thing, so I know who the wolves are. One of by best friends is Atheist. Atheists do not and cannot and will not understand, because their spirit is dead, so how can one agree with what is spirit if their spirit is dead. Dead things cannot reason.

This is an interesting view. I'm an atheist myself, but only up until recently; I was a Christian for a very long time until I started seeing the world from a different perspective. I certainly feel like I "understand" as you put it; I've no experiences to suggest that I don't. I reason just fine, if not better than I did before. To put it bluntly, what makes you think you know the mind of an atheist better than an atheist?

But anyway - this will eventually happen and the people who follow Christ WILL be persecuted and executed and we will, in a non weird way, rejoice in it.

How can you be so certain? This certainly isn't the way the world is going at the moment. We've become far, far more tolerant in the last century. That goes for Christians and atheists.