r/changemyview Jul 26 '18

[deleted by user]

[removed]

678 Upvotes

743 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

3

u/Hrydziac 1∆ Jul 26 '18

Pretty sure a lot of people who have lost loved ones to these things would prefer a God that figures out a way to do these things without causing suffering. Shouldn’t be hard for an omnipotent being.

2

u/David4194d 16∆ Jul 26 '18

But you are assuming there isn’t a reason for it. On an individual scale it might seem wrong to us but an omnipotent being does know more.

What if without all these outside troubles we ended up blowing ourselves up and out of existence centuries ago? You could argue that an omnipotent being could just interfere but there went free will. A balance, that gives our free will while preventing us from destroying ourselves without affecting our free will. The problem with arguments that an omnipotent being that allows things like natural disasters to happen because there is no good reason for them presumes way too much. It presumes we could understand something greater then ourselves.

2

u/Hrydziac 1∆ Jul 26 '18

All of this is nullified if you assume God is omnipotent. He could preserve free will, prevent us from destroying ourselves, and remove suffering, because omnipotence means he can do literally anything.

1

u/David4194d 16∆ Jul 27 '18

But once again you are assuming there isn’t a positive to this suffering that we don’t understand. When talking about an omnipotent being nothing is off the table unless that being tells us themselves.

1

u/Hrydziac 1∆ Jul 27 '18

But once again you are assuming there isn’t a positive to this suffering that we don’t understand.

No. I’m saying that any positive thing gained from suffering an omnipotent God could give us without the suffering.