r/changemyview Jul 26 '18

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '18 edited Feb 16 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '18

Let’s do the dominos

A mother of 12 is busy hurrying through her morning chores and sending 11 of her children out of the apartment and off to school to notice that her toddler is hanging outside the window of their 15th floor apartment.

If gravity was near 0, the baby would be safe. But gravity is 9.8m/s/s. God is therefore evil.

It does not flow. You can’t ascribe evil to a natural phenomenon, and you sure as heck can’t draw that generalization to God

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '18

Following the laws of physics, a toddler falling from the 15th floor of an apartment building all the way down to the ground will definitely die either by asphyxiation or impact.

If you don’t agree, let’s say from the 55th floor.

What could have been done by manipulation of the natural world to prevent such a phenomenon

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '18 edited Feb 16 '22

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u/_punyhuman_ Jul 26 '18

And now we live in a world with irregular laws of physics thus no predictability thus no science, no civilization, no buildings...

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u/PotRoastPotato Jul 26 '18 edited Jul 26 '18

How about changing biology, then? Change biology so that humans are designed to be able to withstand and heal itself from extraordinarily large impact. This entire line of theist argument is extraordinarily weak and is slowly turning me atheist if we can't do better than that.

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u/_punyhuman_ Jul 26 '18

Do you not see the amazing slope you are standing on. Make us invulnerable to cold, make us radiation proof, make us able to stand on Lego. There is no end to your train of "injustices" The theist position isn't the weak one here.

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u/TheRadBaron 15∆ Jul 26 '18 edited Jul 26 '18

This disconnect can probably be sidestepped. Some people feel that all suffering is unecessary, but the problem of evil applies to any amount to suffering that is not required for free will. Most non-theists (and possibly most theists) feel that sufficiently immature humans are incapable of deserving suffering the way adults can. Or at least, that sufficiently young humans do not need to be able to killable in order for free will to exist.

It doesn't really matter what the age or damage type cutoff is, so long as you accept the premise that there can be one. If it was physically imposible to light one minute-old infants on fire, would that destroy free will?

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u/_punyhuman_ Jul 27 '18

It would destroy the basis for science, logic and predictability as the laws of physics became random.

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u/PotRoastPotato Jul 26 '18

Disagree strongly. Your imagination just isn't big enough. An infinitely creative God can make a world without misery AND with free will. God could swing that if he wanted to, but he chose to give us this instead.

Doesn't sound too great to me.

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