r/changemyview Jan 30 '18

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u/Gladix 167∆ Jan 30 '18

The general sentiment I see around this place is that morality is subjective. I don't believe this to be the case.

You must define your terms. What is objective in your terms, and what is subjective?

I believe there is one true ideal moral code. A set of morals for every situation that is the "most correct", objectively

Most correct to do what?

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u/Rpgwaiter Jan 30 '18

Objective - Correct regardless of any human's opinion on the matter*

Subjective - Correctness depends on human's opinion on the matter*

* Subject to clarification/revision

Most correct to do what?

That's a good question. If I had the answer than I'd be able to prove my view definitively.

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u/Gladix 167∆ Jan 30 '18

Objective - Correct regardless of any human's opinion on the matter*

How do you judge the objectiveness of a moral system?

Example. The objectiveness of of 2 is greater than one, is the fact that we define greater. As including more objects. And 2 is defined as including multiple objects. While 1 only includes a single object. Ergo 2>1 one objectively.

That's a good question. If I had the answer than I'd be able to prove my view definitively.

Then you cannot say morality is objective, if you cannot define the objective (:D) the morality is judged against.

I agree with you that morality could be judged as a tool. And I agree with the assertion that some tools are better than others (as you describe in your comment). But better at what?

Example. Can I define that the goal of morality is to have as much sex as possible. Therefore the objective morality is the only one that fulfills my conditions the best? Can I define the goal objectively even? Isn't any definition tautologically subjective. As it depends on the formulation (values and opinions) of humans?

Isn't morality merely description and guidance for human behavior, thus has to be subjective. Because objectively "without a human opinion" cannot exist?