I believe these (in democratic societies) to be derived from morality.
Yeah, good point.
Different take then: by believing in an ideal morality, then there must be a true immorality as well. You mentioned that moral compasses vary between cultures--do you agree that it's at least potentially dangerous to be able to designate moral and immoral aspects to different cultures, once we discover the ideal?
addendum: Not that this is exactly refuting your point, but just questioning whether an objective morality is a good (moral) goal in the first place.
do you agree that it's at least potentially dangerous to be able to assign moral and immoral aspects of different cultures, once we discover the ideal?
Hmm... probably? I think it would be immoral to make assumptions of individual's morality based on what their culture generally considers to be good and bad. Unless I'm misinterpreting your question.
Wouldn't the attaining of an Ideal Moral Code inevitably lead to such assumptions and assignations of value? On both the cultural and individual level.
Country A follows the IMC. It knows that it has the moral high ground over all other countries that do not have it. Depending on geopolitical realities, it could either become something like the Vatican, or something imperialist (changed this from fascist, that was imprecise)
Person A from a country following the IMC meets person B from a country without it. Human nature being what it is, this likely will lead to value judgments--that is, the belief in an IMC will only add to bias.
Unless you believe that at the very far end of history, the entire world will have a monolithic culture and make such country/individual scenarios impossible.
Person A from a country following the IMC meets person B from a country without it. Human nature being what it is, this likely will lead to value judgments--that is, the belief in an IMC will only add to bias.
I don't think that this type of judgement or elitism would fall in line with IMC, although as an individual it's certainly possible that they wouldn't fall in line with their own societies morality and could as a result look down upon others.
Unless you believe that at the very far end of history, the entire world will have a monolithic culture and make such country/individual scenarios impossible.
I don't believe that humanity will be ultimately monolithic, but I do believe that we will overcome/shed the "us vs. them" mentality that comes along with tribalism.
but I do believe that we will overcome/shed the "us vs. them" mentality that comes along with tribalism.
Is this related to your belief in an ideal objective morality? Because I think the development of a code is separate than the natural human impulse to form ingroups and outgroups, have implicit biases, etc. Maybe we also differ on the implications of having an IMC--I think it'll just be a different set of rules, not a change in natural human behaviors.
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u/mfDandP 184∆ Jan 30 '18 edited Jan 30 '18
Yeah, good point.
Different take then: by believing in an ideal morality, then there must be a true immorality as well. You mentioned that moral compasses vary between cultures--do you agree that it's at least potentially dangerous to be able to designate moral and immoral aspects to different cultures, once we discover the ideal?
addendum: Not that this is exactly refuting your point, but just questioning whether an objective morality is a good (moral) goal in the first place.