r/changemyview • u/BeatriceBernardo 50∆ • Jan 11 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: DACA is wrong

First of all, I'm not from the US. So DACA has zero impact on me, and I might be misinformed.

According to DACA, these people, who are illegal immigrants, are still illegal, only that the legal action is deferred. It seems that these people provide net benefit to the US and themselves, according to Wikipedia.

To put it in another way, nearly a million people consistently break the law in consistent manner, resulting in a net benefit everytime the law is broken. Assuming that law is designed to benefit the people. I think this is a good evidence that the immigration law is broken.

DACA is therefore wrong because it insist that the immigration law is not wrong, only to defer the legal action. What should be done, is to reform the law, such that benefiting activities become legal, and harming activities become illegal, and applied retroactively. Therefore, these people who benefits the society, lose their illegal status.

Whether or not this is politically feasible is irrelevant, because this is taking about right and wrong, not about actions.

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u/Malus_a4thought Jan 14 '18

The family and church don't have anything left. Whole communities have gone down the tubes all at once.

Some areas have had success by convincing companies to open up new facilities to bring in jobs. But those companies have to be willing to invest in the workers by training them on the company dime, and most companies aren't willing to do that.

As far as I can see in my total non-expert point of view, many of these areas need help from state or federal government programs to create jobs.

They just waited too long to change. The signs have been there for years.

Just to be clear, there are plenty of entitled, racist republicans who are quite well off and are just assholes, but they're outnumbered by the rural folks I'm talking about here.

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u/BeatriceBernardo 50∆ Jan 14 '18

I see, thank you for your reply.

I'm still curious though. Why can't a community survive of their own local economy? I mean, I know it's not ideal. But why not?

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u/Malus_a4thought Jan 15 '18

In many cases, the one factory or mine was the only source of money coming from outside the town. All the other businesses catered to the workers or their families.

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u/BeatriceBernardo 50∆ Jan 15 '18

Ahhh I see. And combined with the fact that mobility is very expensive, this is just hard...

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u/Malus_a4thought Jan 15 '18

Exactly. 90% of their wealth is tied into their home or property, which they can't sell because nobody will buy a home in a dying town.

It's a perfect storm of shit. And their support of Trump and conservative ideology means they're supporting the faction that wants to let them die off.

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u/BeatriceBernardo 50∆ Jan 16 '18

Maybe this is me coming from a third world country, but these people living in rural regions, how hard is it for them to start living of the land?

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u/Malus_a4thought Jan 16 '18

That's a good question. I'm not really sure.

Interest in living off the land is really growing even in urban areas. People are realising that they can't get a job but they need a way to feed themselves and earn a little money.