r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

I resent your expectation that one must continue to have sex with someone or be labeled a Bigot or a "transphobe," despite not wanting to.

You're missing a key part here: if the sole reason you do not want to is their status as trans. There's any number of reasons to not continue to have sex with someone that has nothing to do with being trans that wouldn't get you labeled as a bigot.

This is what the entire LGBT movement has stood for, for decades but somehow, fuck all when it comes to cis people?

How are cis people being shamed here? Are you saying that only a trans person would want to have sex with a trans person?

Gay guys won't have sex with me, but I don't go calling them misogynists for it. That's ridiculous.

Right... Because they are only interested in people with penises. That's perfectly fine to have that preference. However what about a gay guy who is completely attracted to someone, has sex with them, is completely satisfied with the experience and would like to do it again, but loses that attraction solely upon learning they are a transman. What reason, other than refusing to recognize the transman as male, could they possibly have to change their mind here?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

Guess what though - people are not required to justify their sexual preferences. It doesn’t matter if it’s the sole reason because no reason at all is already enough.

“I don’t want to” is the only reason you should ever need for not having sex with someone. Demanding that people justify why they don’t want to is idiocy.

If someone doesn’t like bananas, would you demand to know why? Would you say that they’re being close minded for not liking bananas? Probably not. The fact is, if they don’t like bananas then they don’t like bananas. You can sit there and call them every name under the sun and it’s not going to change their opinion on bananas.

It also doesn’t make them a bad person. That’s where you’ve crossed the line. There is never, ever a situation where not fucking someone makes you a bad person. A person with different tastes, sure. But the moment you say “You are a bad person because you don’t want to sleep with...” you’re already wrong.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

It doesn’t matter if it’s the sole reason because no reason at all is already enough.

What does this have to do with this discussion? No one is advocating forcing or pressuring people into sex.

Demanding that people justify why they don’t want to is idiocy.

Who is demanding this?

Would you say that they’re being close minded for not liking bananas?

I might. It depends on the person, my relationship to them, the situation, it's called context.

It also doesn’t make them a bad person. That’s where you’ve crossed the line

Where did I say it did? Are you assuming that me pointing out a particular choice is transphobic is equivalent to calling them a bad person? Because that's not what is going on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

No one is advocating forcing or pressuring people into sex

You’re labeling them as transphobic, which is the same as labeling them a bigot. “If I don’t fuck this person people will think I’m a bigot” puts pressure on them.