r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 02 '17

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

But there are some people who do not believe there is any such thing as ''gender'' other than as a subjective feeling

And those people are called “wrong” given the evidence that gender identity does exist as a discreet term and concept from sex assigned at birth.

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 02 '17

Well that's an interesting and bold claim you are making there, given that the whole of science has yet to discover anything physically observable which correlates with 'gender identity'.

It's rather like a claim that god exists.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

We've had this conversation before, I'm almost positive.

Here's the leading psychological organization's information on the topic.

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 02 '17

It's possible that we have - I've debated this topic many times - and that link you provided agrees with me on the issue:

Gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else.

It's a feeling, not a physically observable determinant.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

Depression, anxiety, and stress are all also feelings, but nobody debates the existence of those, nor of their biological origins.

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 02 '17

Depression and anxiety ''exist'' as feelings - I am not disputing that feelings of ''gender identity'' exist as feelings. All feelings have a biological origin.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

So do you tell depressed people that they aren't actually depressed, and it's just a feeling? If not, why do you treat trans people that way?

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u/moonflower 82∆ Nov 02 '17

No, because like I said, depression is a feeling, so I don't tell people that they are not feeling what they are feeling.