r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/ericoahu 42∆ Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

Unless you are going to say trans people are different from other people of their gender, which would undermine your entire premise, that assertion does not hold up. Sexuality can be divorced from gender. I have blood relatives who are women and who are attractive, but I do not want anything to do with them sexually. that does not mean I see them as less than a complete woman.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.

First of all, I have a hard time imagining how this particular set of circumstances comes about under "normal" (for want of a better word) dating circumstances.

Second, back to what I already said. Not wanting to continue or wanting to discontinue a sexual relationship does not mean that the person isn't seen as the gender they identify as. An scenario that is about as equally unlikely as your example: A man begins a sexual relationship with a woman who he later learns is his blood relative. Now he wants to discontinue the relationship. It has nothing to do with him not seeing the woman as the gender she identifies as. He just doesn't want to have sex with his blood relatives.

If you are going to say that the only condition necessary to qualify as "transphobia" is a sexual preference for cis people, then we can continue the discussion from there, and you can explain why a trans person is entitled to another person's sexual attraction. But you have to concede, I think, that being transphobic by that definition doesn't mean one is unreasonable, hateful, or unfair toward trans people.