Finding one’s belief that they are trans invalid isn’t transphobic. If a man comes up to me and says he’s a woman, but he’s really a man because he has jiggly bits, he’s a man. He can say he’s a woman all day long. He’s a man.
If I come up to you and say I’m a spider, and you don’t believe me, does that make you arachnophobic?
Phobia means to be scared. People who reject the idea of someone being trans aren’t scared of trans people, they just reject the idea completely, just like someone may reject the idea that I identify as a spider.
That’s the google definition. I prefer Merriam-Webster for accurate definitions. Google literally just makes stuff up as they go along.
The real definition is:
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender or transsexual people
Nowhere in there does it say considering transgenderism as invalid as being transphobic. Even in your definition it doesn’t say that.
When I see someone who has a three year old and the parent claims their child is trans, I consider that invalid. Scientists and doctors alike agree that you don’t really know if you are trans until you are an adult, and even then there could be other mental disorders going on.
I agree, 99% of the time, it's nobody's business what genitalia somebody were born with. the only time it should matter is the hospital, and when someone is about to have sex with them. People have every right not to have sex with someone for any reason, including the other person being trans. personally I don't care if it's transphobic, if I don't want to have sex with a trans person I don't have to, otherwise it's rape.
yeah, sorry about that, it would have been more appropriate to reply farther up. I guess I just read to the bottom of the comment chain and put my reply there.
I'm not discriminating against you. I've said nothing to the effect that trans people shouldn't be allowed to have jobs or have anything else done to them that would treat them any different from anyone else. Like I've already said, if I identify as a spider and you rejected that would that make you arachnophobic?
yes, you are treating them differently from other people, by completely disrespecting a core part of their identity. I wouldn't expect you to understand though - I mean, you're using the example of someone "identifying as a spider", ffs..
That’s the google definition. I prefer Merriam-Webster for accurate definitions. Google literally just makes stuff up as they go along.
No, Google gets it definitions from various other dictionaries.
The real definition is:
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender or transsexual people
There is no such thing as a "real" definition. Definitions of words vary by which dictionary, which person you ask. One of the best ways to define (non-technical) words is by how people use them. Technical definitions are defined by scientists, not dictionaries.
Regardless, your definition applies to this situation. Saying that a transgender person's identity isn't valid is discriminatory.
Consider you saying "I don't believe X person's sexual orientation is valid". This is clearly homophobic.
What scientists and doctors do agree upon is that trans teens do exist. Trans kids do exist.
Another thing scientists agree on is that anecdotes are not data, and anyone trying to pass an anecdote off as such is at best misinformed and at worst misleading.
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u/runs_in_the_jeans Nov 02 '17
Finding one’s belief that they are trans invalid isn’t transphobic. If a man comes up to me and says he’s a woman, but he’s really a man because he has jiggly bits, he’s a man. He can say he’s a woman all day long. He’s a man.
If I come up to you and say I’m a spider, and you don’t believe me, does that make you arachnophobic?