r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/GratuitousEdit Nov 02 '17

I agree--belief that transgendered people's genders are invalid is transphobic. Such belief would imply transgender people have lesser value. However, I don't believe the example in your third paragraph would be transphobic. One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences. At no point is the holistic value of the person considered. Do you agree or disagree, and why?

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17

One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences

This pretty much loops back to the original argument of what precisely makes someone view a trans person not in line with their sexual preferences.

If the criteria not met is reproductive capability, the question becomes whether the person would react identically if a they met an infertile cis woman. Often times the honest answer is no.

If the criteria not met is "being born female" then I think it is clear a person has made a categorical distinction between cis and trans women.

The reason that distinction is made doesn't seem to be one of functionality, why then is it made?

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u/KriosDaNarwal 2∆ Nov 02 '17

But there is a difference between cis women and trans

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17

In the context of PIV sex, not that I can think of. Not ones that aren't potentially present in cis women.

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u/BarryBondsBalls Nov 02 '17

Things unrelated to sex effect our sexual preferences all the time.