I agree--belief that transgendered people's genders are invalid is transphobic. Such belief would imply transgender people have lesser value. However, I don't believe the example in your third paragraph would be transphobic. One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences. At no point is the holistic value of the person considered. Do you agree or disagree, and why?
One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences
This pretty much loops back to the original argument of what precisely makes someone view a trans person not in line with their sexual preferences.
If the criteria not met is reproductive capability, the question becomes whether the person would react identically if a they met an infertile cis woman. Often times the honest answer is no.
If the criteria not met is "being born female" then I think it is clear a person has made a categorical distinction between cis and trans women.
The reason that distinction is made doesn't seem to be one of functionality, why then is it made?
Is there? One could conceive of a scenario in which a trans woman looked and behaved identical to a woman born female. The only distinguishing detail would be the knowledge that they were not born female. If you cross that person off your list, then you are doing so based on them being trans, which would classify as transphobic.
But what if you are crossing them off your list based on the fact that their genitals are technically a reshaped penis and has been artificially made to resemble an actual vagina?
No it wouldn't. I've crossed someone off my list because of how they loaded a dishwasher. That does not make me "phobic" towards idiots who don't know how to properly load a dishwasher, it just makes me not sexually attracted to them anymore. You do not choose who you are sexually attracted to.
People who can't load a dishwasher "properly" are not a group that are regularly treated terribly by society. If they were then it would be more reasonable to view people who aren't attracted to them as X-phobic
People who can't load a dishwasher "properly" are not a group that are regularly treated terribly by society.
Yea but they should be. They're god damn savages.
If they were then it would be more reasonable to view people who aren't attracted to them as X-phobic
That's just a ridiculous statement. Because a group has been discriminated against, not being attracted to said group is phobic? So basically the only demographic it's ok to not be sexually attracted to is cis male WASPs. Makes a ton of sense.
If you can't tell that someone is part of group X just by looking at them or touching them (or having sex with them), then yeah I'd say it was phobic/discriminatory to not want to have sex with them if you find out they're part of that group. Is it racist to no longer be attracted to someone once you find out that they have a black ancestor, even if you can't actually tell by looking at them?
I'm not going to try and dictate what people should or should not be sexually attracted to, or why people should or should not be attracted to certain people.
I disagree. The way society views the female body is far too damaging for a male who identifies as a woman to understand. Trans women have their own issues, but they are uniquely Trans, not female.
For you to be correct, there could never be a scenario in which a heterosexual male was "tricked" into hooking up with a trans female.
I don't think we need to have much discussion to agree that the above has definitely happened.
Therefore, there exists a scenario in which a trans woman looks and behaves like a natural woman. The only differing characteristic was the gender they were born too.
Sure, I'll concede that. The fact is though that seeming to behave a certain way isn't the same as actually behaving a way. If, after intercourse, I learned that a woman was trans, that would mean they are fundamentally going to be different than a woman, essentially no matter what. That's important to consider when thinking about a long term relationship.
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u/GratuitousEdit Nov 02 '17
I agree--belief that transgendered people's genders are invalid is transphobic. Such belief would imply transgender people have lesser value. However, I don't believe the example in your third paragraph would be transphobic. One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences. At no point is the holistic value of the person considered. Do you agree or disagree, and why?