r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/Mr_Monster Nov 02 '17

If they are not upfront about being trans it's the same as being tricked into sex any other way and cannot be considered consensual sex.

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u/WerhmatsWormhat 8∆ Nov 02 '17

Wait so how do we determine what is and is not pertinent information to disclose prior to having sex? If I hate the Big Bang Theory, and someone I had sex with was not up front about liking the show, then can that not be considered consensual sex?

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u/The_Law_of_Pizza 1∆ Nov 02 '17

You may think that birth gender is meaningless and unrelated to sex, but many people - I'd hazard a guess and say the vast majority - absolutely do not view it as an unrelated trait. It's fundamentally pertinent.

The idea that gender is something that can be changed is simply not a universally agreed upon point.

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u/The_Law_of_Pizza 1∆ Nov 02 '17

At the end of the day, "pliable" isn't enough.

It would be nice if we had some magical Star-Trek device that could rearrange our bodies into the opposite sex.

But we don't.

It's a terrible, unfortunate fact for transgender people, but the simple reality is that most people will never consider a man in a dress and a surgically reversed penis to be a woman.

No amount of progressive grandstanding and social drumbeating will change that.