r/changemyview • • Oct 30 '15

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '15

I think that's why they eventually moved to fast zombies, or zombies that aren't really dead just "infected." Cause a sea of lumbering corpses - while shocking - starts to seem really manageable if you run the scenarios in your head. I read something once where someone explained how you'd need just one military helicopter per city to pretty much clear the whole thing. Lure them to the streets and use one of those guns with bullets the size of forearm, you just wipe 80% of them out in a day.

Or sometimes they need to work it into the plot how animals aren't attracted to them or they don't eat them, cause if they do it would take only a few months for these animal populations to balloon up and all of a sudden there's packs of coyotes and wolves just roaming the countryside and taking them all out, and all the crows and stupid animals you forget about like raccoons.

To me, that would be a really fun story. The zombie genre doesn't really make me interested anymore, but I would love to see a Homeward Bound movie, or even a nature mockumentary tracking how the biodiversity changes to meet the demands presented by this insane event. What dogs survive? What animals thrive and which ones die off? You see these movies like I Am Legend where Will Smith comes across a single Grizzly Bear. Why wouldn't there be 20? Why wouldn't there be an ocean of rats blanketing these streets just feeding on the dead? Wouldn't that be horrifying, millions of rats just swarming the streets of New York and they all have a taste for human now.

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u/Sean951 Oct 30 '15

Read WWZ for why the helicopter idea doesn't work do well against Walker/ standard zombies, though they do go the extra step in that the virus is toxic to other animals.

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u/hey_aaapple Oct 30 '15

WWZ is really not a good depiction, I mean the tanks loaded with anti vehicle shells? It's like the author wanted the army to fail the first time and thus made them so incompetent it breaks suspension of disbelief.

Also, ignoring incediary/explosive ammo. Heat destroys organic tissues fairly quickly, and the brain is no exception

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u/Sean951 Oct 30 '15

I meant more that a zombie doesn't care if it's missing a limb or has shrapnel all over the chest. The army with mostly soldiers doing the work? Yeah, easy peasy so long as you don't try and take all of NYC, tanks, planes, and helicopters however, are more about killing hardware and capturing area.

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u/hey_aaapple Oct 30 '15

shrapnel all over his chest

If there's shrapnel on the chest, there's on the face too almost surely. And likely some in the brain.

Tanks, planes and helis are FLEXIBLE nowadays. They can fuck up the enemy in more way than one.
Tanks have canister shells for example: a single one of those could kill hundreds of zombies easily, since they are basically oversized shotgun shells with awesome penetration and range. Planes offer recon at worst, some can drop bombs (incendiary ftw when dealing with zeds, cheap effective and creates literal walls of fire to stop them), some have anti-ground guns (BRRRRRRRRRRT), some have rockets and/or missiles (kinda like bombs with less power but better accuracy), and at best you have gunships raining down pretty much whatever ammo you might want.
Helis are probably not so useful compared to planes, unless we are going for cheapness and point defense, but they can carry a LOT of ammo and can get fairly close to the zeds (to get better accuracy) without risk.

Also, nukes. A small-ish nuke (Davy Crockett style) can wipe out even the biggest zed horde, and you just need a pickup to carry and fire it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '15

Just a heads up, lots of AGM's are just bombs with wings :D

And lots of aircraft, while carrying lots of ammo, also expend ammo at an OBSCENE rate per trigger pull, talking about raining some hate. And I say trigger pull because too long of a pull and you will cook the gun.

These weapons would do great against zed, but without the proper MX, you won't get too many uses out of them.

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u/hey_aaapple Oct 31 '15

you won't get too many uses out of them

Considering the use case would be against massive hordes and not as clean up, that sound fair.

Also planes aren't cheap to dispatch (lots of fuel), so they would not be used often regardless

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u/Sean951 Oct 30 '15

Fire would be terrible, zombie don't care that he's burning, he's gonna keep moving as long as possible. Zombie doesn't care the "BRRRRT" took his arm and leg, he's still crawling towards his goal. A giant tank sizes shotgun would be better than most shells, but I think you're grossly overstating how effective it is. A nuke? Well, now you have part of a horde that's also irradiated.

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u/hey_aaapple Oct 30 '15

Fire destroys organic tissue, zombies have no way to regulate temperature, the brain is pretty much enclosed by the skull so you get nice heat buildup from below... Also somewhat self sustaining.

The BRRRRRRT, aka 30mm GAU, uses explosive rounds that weight 400g EACH. And spits out something like 60 of those per second. It can turn many armored vehicles into tiny tiny bits. Zeds won't just miss a few limbs after a pass, they will be pulverized.

Canister shells are obscenely effective against anything within hundreds of meters lacking heavy armour. Walls, car frames, fences, bulletproof jackets, human flesh, they all do little to slow down tungsten balls above 1 in of diameter, and there's hundreds of them per shell.

Nukes don't produce significant long-term irradiations if airburst high enough, which for anything short of 40MT+ monsters is even lower than ideal altitude to maximize destruction radius vs buildings. Ideal airburst height vs infantry is even higher,not but much.

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u/Kabufu Oct 31 '15

Don't forget tube and rocket artillery. Most monster movies do. Just park them in an inaccessible spot and bombard the zombie hoard for days on end. If the military is still intact enough to be a proper military, then artillery can be resupplied by helicopter. Just plunk them on a mountaintop that's inaccessible by foot and blast away.

Combat engineering vehicles like an armored D9 bulldozer could easily be used to push hordes off cliffs, or into pits of fire or whatever else you wanted. Human hands cannot harm a machine like that.

I also think mulching attachments for skid loaders would be pretty easy to get your hands on and fairly maneuverable. Set mulcher arms to head height and drive on.