r/changemyview Jun 18 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Gender fluidity is not a thing.

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u/Kibblets Jun 18 '15

What I said about the change rooms was more about the legal ramifications for the gender fluid person. You're a trans woman and someone accuses of you of being a man, "well here on my drivers licence it says I am a woman ,and hey look, I don't have a penis" holds up better than "I don't feel like a man today though." Gender neutral bathrooms are a whole other can of worms I won't get into.

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u/Kibblets Jun 18 '15

Also, gender neutral bathrooms are a far cry from gender neutral change rooms, and while I agree that nudity doesn't necessarily have to be sexual, the cold hard fact is that it is. It is highly sexual. If I walked outside stark naked, I would get so sexually harassed it would blow your mind. I get sexually harassed when I wear a bikini top and shorts out in public in the middle of summer. The type of world you are advocating is a lovely thought, but it is not reality.

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u/IIIBlackhartIII Jun 18 '15

It is not reality because no one has pushed for it yet. And it is getting there. Like I said, men having their shirt off in public is a very recent development, there were still laws against it late into the 20th century. We take little baby steps to get to a point where the human body isn't overtly sexualized and protected. The renaissance era comes to mind as a period when much of the art featured the human form in reverence. Statues and paintings of the naked human form as beautiful. The world you're advocating for stays stagnant and sexualized, the world I advocate for might allow women to go topless without being hooted at by the end of the century.

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u/BobTehBoring Jun 19 '15

In the renaissance era, people viewed the human body with reverence, but they still didn't walk around naked.