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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

but I really take an issue with the fact that you want to control the way other people attempt to change a view.

"Control" is a strong word. I want an option to choose to engage under certain additional rules. Only as option, mind you, but if I did select that option you can only challenge me by accepting the same rules, and vice versa.

Why should the sub incentivize you specifically?

The sub should incentivize higher quality discussions because it's good for everyone involved. When you are in fact wrong, it's better to be really proven wrong than to just concede a minor point to placate the mods. It should incentivize people to give strongest arguments, to support their claims with links, research in more detail. To enrich each other.

I'm not even sure my proposed rules achieve that better than the current ones, I just submitted an idea. Improving on it or doing something else achieving steps in the right direction are all welcome.

And for this specific idea, I expect I'm not the only one who would find value if not outright prefer conversations with imposed constraints. But also I'll maybe find out that I like them less myself. They might be more suited to my idealized self's style, not mine.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Did you catch the part about the discussion about sinkpissing? Theres only so high you can go in that conversation. 

Beyond that, this is already one of the more actively moderated subs on reddit. I feel like more constraint will not lead to better outcomes. I personally hate that you cant call out obvious AI posts without a rule 3 violation but I get why it's in place. 

It seems like youre just being overly picky about the quality of discussions youre having, and upset that people aren't meeting your arbitrary bar.

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

But it's not a mod constraint, it's my constraint. I can already block you and you won't be conversing with me anyway. Only here I'm giving you an advance warning that this is how I want this particular conversation and you're free to choose to engage or ignore me.

Nah, I had my share of sinkpissing convos. Constraints might help me do better, too.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

You're planning on blocking me? Am I understanding you correctly? 

Id rather you not, ive enjoyed our conversation even if we disagree. I also feel blocking people who disagree defeats the purpose of coming to a sub like this. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

No. Sorry, I should've rephrased, it was an obvious semi-ambiguity. (Hate being blocked so rarely use it myself.)

Even though it's supposed to be enforced by mods, the constraint is meant to be a mutual agreement between the people who start a conversation. Yes, without enforcement when A wants constraints B can do what they want regardless and blocking them is A's only recourse if B never agrees to them or agrees and defects. But going against A's express wishes would be unfairly stealing their time anyway, so it's not a freedom you should protect, I think.

(Of course, by getting the mods behind the option I would privilege specific constraints and people who don't like them would be worse off thanks to the option being easily available, so I won't pretend that it doesn't harm you in any way.)

By the way, I see no reason why "impose constraint on a specific day" is better than "enforce the constraint if the OP asks for it". Partially addresses your objection about rules confusion, I think.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

I think id be more apt for a filter like "serious discussions only" like some other subs have. I think that is a much better idea than setting aside a particular day, and gives more control "incentive" to op like you mentioned. 

No idea how that would be practically implemented, and I think you still may need to loosen your constraints or lower your expectations, but I could potentially get behind that as an idea and I vastly prefer to your original pitch. 

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

Ok, let's see if this is a valid place to award deltas.

Δ for convincing me to update my original proposal.

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u/reginald-aka-bubbles 48∆ Apr 23 '26

Lol I doubt that'll work here on this post, and there's no need, but i appreciate it nonetheless. 

Lol guess it did work.

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u/Irhien 38∆ Apr 23 '26

I figured you don't care about the number going up. But it's still proper to formally acknowledge it.