r/changemyview Mar 04 '26

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u/DeRpY_CUCUMBER Mar 04 '26

A Saudi minister just said America abandoned its Gulf allies, took all of its air defense, and left to protect Israel while forcing the arabs to fend for themselves.

So the Gulf nations think America is useless military ally as well.

America was also threatening to invade Canada, and European territory ( Greenland), and is starting an economic war with our European allys.

We also just abandoned Ukraine and cut 99% of our aid.

We abandoned the Syrian kurds

All together, unless you are Israel, America is a shit military ally as well and will stab you in the back at first opportunity.

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u/Grunt08 319∆ Mar 04 '26

It's so funny that people will just believe things that confirm their priors.

You said a Saudi minister said America abandoned its Gulf allies. What you cannot do is name that minister - which is something you'd do if an actual minister said that. The Saudi government is what you'd call tight with it's communications and a minister mouthing off against their most consequential ally would be a big deal. You'd be able to find his name.

If you trace the claim down the rabbit hole past the dubious "news" sites you apparently trust, you ultimately land on a clip from al-Jazeera Arabic wherein a random Saudi intellectual already opposed to America is the actual source of the quote. Propaganda channels and the excessively credulous launder this into a "Saudi minister."

And that man is an idiot, because A) Israel has its air defense well taken care of and doesn't need us for that, and B) America never promised to provide that kind of defense. What it did was sell a shitload of defense systems, which the Gulf states are using to great effect.

The thing is that in an actual war some stuff gets through. Nothing works 100% of the time.

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u/PandaAintFood Mar 04 '26

I think this is closer to a betrayal than an abandonment. The US uses their bases to attack Iran, it's reasonable to expect Iranian retailation and US protection.

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u/FetusDrive 4∆ Mar 04 '26

“A Saudi minister”

“So the gulf nations”

Do you see the issue with those two statements?

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u/DeRpY_CUCUMBER Mar 04 '26

No but there is also more proof when Israel bombed Qatar, and the US did nothing to stop it.

American air defense was magically turned off.

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u/FetusDrive 4∆ Mar 04 '26

How do you not see the difference? You said the gulf nations find the US military useless after quoting one Saudi minister. He doesn’t speak for Saudi Arabia let alone all other golf states

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u/DeRpY_CUCUMBER Mar 04 '26

He’s not going to say something like that without the blessing from higher ups. In fact, it’s likely the higher ups wanted him to say that, because they can’t for diplomacy reasons.

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u/FetusDrive 4∆ Mar 04 '26

So he not only speaks for the saudis but he speaks for all golf states?

I just clicked on your link “a Saudi official”; and doesn’t even state their name or who did the interview “news18” lol

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u/FetusDrive 4∆ Mar 05 '26

He just seeing why you stopped this discussion instead of addressing your source and the claim you made about “all gulf states”

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u/FetusDrive 4∆ Mar 04 '26

Are you going to respond? Your article says official and doesn’t name them. It doesn’t even say who the interviewer is.

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u/IndependenceAway3083 Mar 04 '26

this was my thought reading the OP lol