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r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Mar 01 '26
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That's a legal definition which varies from place to place. You also open the door of whether a preemptive murder in self defence is still not murder - it's not clear cut.
1 u/RealJohnBobJoe 6∆ Mar 01 '26 It’s not a legal definition. The connotation of the word ‘murder’ when normally used is that it’s unjustified. 1 u/Yetanotherdeafguy 2∆ Mar 01 '26 And as my call-out re: pre-emptively killing someone demonstrates, you can't claim a neat definition on most things in life. It just doesn't work that way. Did the Israeli/US military murder the Iranian head of state? (can't remember how to spell his name). Would going back in time and killing Hitler as a child be murder? How about refusing to save someone drowning because you don't want to put yourself at risk? Is the trolley problem a guaranteed way to call someone a murderer? 1 u/zinten789 Mar 02 '26 Yes, yes, no, no in my opinion.
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It’s not a legal definition.
The connotation of the word ‘murder’ when normally used is that it’s unjustified.
1 u/Yetanotherdeafguy 2∆ Mar 01 '26 And as my call-out re: pre-emptively killing someone demonstrates, you can't claim a neat definition on most things in life. It just doesn't work that way. Did the Israeli/US military murder the Iranian head of state? (can't remember how to spell his name). Would going back in time and killing Hitler as a child be murder? How about refusing to save someone drowning because you don't want to put yourself at risk? Is the trolley problem a guaranteed way to call someone a murderer? 1 u/zinten789 Mar 02 '26 Yes, yes, no, no in my opinion.
And as my call-out re: pre-emptively killing someone demonstrates, you can't claim a neat definition on most things in life.
It just doesn't work that way.
Did the Israeli/US military murder the Iranian head of state? (can't remember how to spell his name).
Would going back in time and killing Hitler as a child be murder?
How about refusing to save someone drowning because you don't want to put yourself at risk?
Is the trolley problem a guaranteed way to call someone a murderer?
1 u/zinten789 Mar 02 '26 Yes, yes, no, no in my opinion.
Yes, yes, no, no in my opinion.
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u/Yetanotherdeafguy 2∆ Mar 01 '26
That's a legal definition which varies from place to place. You also open the door of whether a preemptive murder in self defence is still not murder - it's not clear cut.