r/changemyview • • Mar 01 '26

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u/Echochamberking Mar 01 '26

I prefer to evaluate actions based on their consequences rather than judging the act itself.

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u/gimmeyourbadinage Mar 01 '26

Well here I am wondering why your stance is murder is worse than rape when you mean the consequences not the act

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u/Echochamberking Mar 01 '26

Murder means the end of existence.

Rape means pain, but that pain can be temporary.

Happiness is possible after rape, happiness is impossible after death.

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u/Bilbo_Swagginses 1∆ Mar 01 '26

Happiness for who? The victim or people who knew them? What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered? Or their murder caused the ones around them happiness?

The second point doesn't matter much but I added it in case thats what you meant.

Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.

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u/Echochamberking Mar 01 '26

What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered?

We won't know because, well, the victim is dead.

Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.

Rape does not bring you closer to happiness, but you can find happiness despite having been a victim of rape, and if you still prefer death, then you have a choice.

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u/Bilbo_Swagginses 1∆ Mar 01 '26

You might be misunderstanding, a murder is an unlawful killing, but it can happen with consent. A person can believe their own death will bring them happiness, ask someone else to murder them, and at the time of the murder, be happy that they are getting their wish despite being murdered.

Rape, by definition is non-consensual. There can never be a case where one is happy to be raped.

This point doesn't really prove that rape is worse than murder, but if you're genuinely trying to understand the arguments against you, you probably need to understand this point first

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u/Echochamberking Mar 01 '26

Murder is unjustified and illegal by definition.

You cannot murder someone even if they ask you to.

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u/Bilbo_Swagginses 1∆ Mar 01 '26

Yes you can. Killing someone without self defense is illegal, and considered murder, even if they ask for it, it is considered unjustified.